Preetom

Same here. there is definitely an energetic transmission going on

You should. Hope it gives you refreshing insights as well

Beautifully explained! Reminds me of Jed Mckenna who repeatedly claims that Human Adulthood (How he defines it) will dawn upon puberty in kids in a sane , healthy world.

Are you the Satan?

Holy shit! I'm too afraid to read this whole thread because it might turn out to be the most direct display of ''Enlightenment Sickness''. Such irony.. I hope its not though..

Reminds me of something similar I read in a book of Adyashanti. He said that these half assed Enlightenment realizations, incomplete dissolving of the ego and thus ego clinging to these stuff can manifest really scary and unhealthy volatile mixture of Reality. At this state there is neither total Truth perception nor entirely egoic sleepwalking. This can lead to serious bipolar disorders when these nondual Truths are abused by ego. From my own experience I have found that when Nondual Truths like life is meaningless, there is no self, values, others etc are attempted to be conceptualized and desperately clung to by the dualistic mind, it can lead to severe dysfunction, depression, nihilism in one's life. Thank you @Anna1 for shining light on this topic

@BestSelf ''The Subtle art of not giving a fuck'' By Mark Mason. The bottom line is take 100% responsibility for your own life. Make solid values for yourself and actualize them. Anything/anyone else other than your values should not bother you a bit. All the best

@egoless Have you read the book 'Awareness' by Anthony De Mello (A jesuit priest, psychologist and spiritual teacher)? I am quoting a story from that book. ''Let me end this with a lovely story. There was a man who invented the art of making fire. He took his tools and went to a tribe in the north, where it was very cold, bitterly cold. He taught the people there to make fire. The people were very interested. He showed them the uses to which they could put fire—they could cook, could keep themselves warm, etc. They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire. But before they could express their gratitude to the man, he disappeared. He wasn’t concerned with getting their recognition or gratitude; he was concerned about their well-being. He went to another tribe, where he again began to show them the value of his invention. People were interested there, too, a bit too interested for the peace of mind of their priests, who began to notice that this man was drawing crowds and they were losing their popularity. So they decided to do away with him. They poisoned him, crucified him, put it any way you like. But they were afraid now that the people might turn against them, so they were very wise, even wily. Do you know what they did? They had a portrait of the man made and mounted it on the main altar of the temple. The instruments for making fire were placed in front of the portrait, and the people were taught to revere the portrait and to pay reverence to the instruments of fire, which they dutifully did for centuries. The veneration and the worship went on, but there was no fire. Where’s the fire? Where’s the love? Where’s the drug uprooted from your system? Where’s the freedom? This is what spirituality is all about. Tragically, we tend to lose sight of this, don’t we? This is what Jesus Christ is all about. But we overemphasized the “Lord, Lord,” didn’t we? Where’s the fire?'' Now my question is, Have you actually lit the fire or have you just found another concept called Lord Jesus to hide behind? And finally I wish you a good life outside this forum.

Oh I don't know..maybe you have thousands of fully Enlightened masters walking in the fish markets at where you live. I unfortunately see virtually all people around me suffering chronically without even knowing, doing/believing stuff without even knowing why they are doing it. Or maybe I'm the most spiritual noob here so I'm projecting my images on them and completely failing to see all the ecstatic bliss and euphoria they are constantly in!

@MarkusSweden In absolute nonduality there can't even be a distinction between Inner and Outer. There can't be slightest causality. There can't be a 1st reality affecting a 2nd reality. Absolute is Absolute. That's all it be said. It doesn't matter if it looks like a Mansion or a pig house from outside when Absolute is Absolute. But I get your message It is we who are completely selecting our meanings and interpretations of outer world. We are the final barrier between our Truth realization. Its just that since birth, the entire world system is rigged to manipulate and imprison every human being in their own bubbles of miseries and suffering.

It now makes sense what I heard from Shinzen Young once ''A day in Enlightenment is more fulfilling than a hundred years of living in egoic delusion''

@Dodo From the few short glimpses I've had from meditation/self inquiry, what I found from my experience is that 'happiness' is sort of a misleading word when it comes to this Waking up business. I have no idea why these juicy words and sales pitches are used in teachings by gurus...probably to attract the mass crowd like bees are attracted by honey or like muslims are promised with 72 virgin whores for their devotion etc. In those silent few minutes of dissolving reality, everytime I found myself not caring about anything let alone a thing called happiness. It's always like an uninterrupted, shockingly lightweight state of being and trying to use words to describe/formulate it, is an utter dishonor towards that realization. There is not even a tendency to 'figure out' conceptual stuff like is there a self or what is the name of this state or is it the absolute? Its just cessation of all grasping and clinging and trying to figure out. I don't know if Enlightened people live in this state all the time. And also I'm pretty noob. So my experiences could be only some states or meditative high and not an actual Awakening. But the funny thing is, during those few silent minutes, all this cherry picking ceases to exist.

Silence aka Best non dual teaching ever

I agree with you. That's what happens in most cases. No one really wants to wake up from a dream until it starts to become a nightmare. Also we can see that the wisest, transcendent of all people usually have a very dark/unsatisfying past which compelled them to the journey of understanding and transformation

I think that's the final intellectual dead end. God can never be Non-God. That seems like the only thing God can't do. But God can sure 'dream' He is Non-God

@Anna1 thanks for the replies!

so that's your final analysis? If that statement is correct, it means that Truth exists. Even if the statement ''There is no truth'' turns out to be correct, that means the statement is Truth, right? So Absolute Truth EXISTS. ITS ALL THE ONLY THING THAT EXISTS

@Anna1 I'm interested to know more about your realization. How is your daily life generally? Especially I know wanna this. When you remember about 'I', what do you actually refer to instantaneously/naturally at first shot? To objects of consciousness or to the witnessing presence?

Finally someone said it! I remember an interview of Peter Ralston where he was asked why he doesn't use sales pitches like love, compassion etc. He replied that he doesn't wanna mislead people by alluring them with irrelevant stuff. Also I remember from Jed Mckenna books where he points out that the true spiritual teachers only has Truth. But the students are there for all sorts of egoic purposes/love/bliss/ecstasy/self aggrandizing etc. Thats why there is huge communication gap and almost no one wakes up. "We don't have what they want and we have what they don't want''

What do you mean by "We are all one"? Irrespective of circumstances, thoughts, emotions, beliefs, karma; our witnessing presence shares the same qualities. Unattached, self-luminous, nondual, limitless, without any phenomenal quality, always present unconditionally. Beneath the folly of our characters and positions, its the same knowing, same being, same witnessing presence.

@Eden You are strong!

Beautifully executed! No. Maybe it's like reverse wiring of a habit. You are basically unhooking yourself from the pathological habit of grasping and clinging to impermanent appearances(which has no substance/reality other than name and form). When you expose and familiarize yourself with the Truth over and over again, that unexamined sick habit dissolves and what remains is the absolute, pure essence of you. An unaltered, undistorted, natural being.

@Highest In Hindu text, the Existence aspect of the Absolute Reality is referred to as the SELF. It is impersonal. But it is called the self because that's what you ultimately are. On other hand, Buddha used the term no-self as one of the three marks of Nature. If you observe your experience non judgmentally, you can discover these 3 marks yourself. 1) Impermanence= all your experiences are constantly changing. Nothing remains constant 2) Anatta/no-self= there is nothing called a 'me' in any experience if you observe it carefully 3) Suffering= yet if you cling to experiences in spite of impermanence and anatta, that very clinging is your ego and you suffer from everything because your clinging is on totally false grounds

I think it is a very powerful opportunity to transform one's life through this month long retreat type event. Think about it how much growth is possible if you take full responsibility and make a commitment to turn out to be a transformed human being after a month. Fasting, healthy diet, building discipline, staying focused all day and not giving in to any form of hedonistic distractions, powerful prayers and surrender multiple times a day, contemplating death, practicing compassion, helping the poor etc. You are doing these things every moment of your day for 30 days straight. Sounds like a consciousness leap to me. And the best part is you can be supported and do these things collectively with others if you have a religious family. No one is gonna judge or isolate you out. But the irony is, the devil spoils the best tools most effectively first. How much this tradition now has degraded with dogmas and misunderstanding. In my country (Bangladesh, a heavily muslim populated country) Ramadan is like the most profitable business month. People's hedonistic consumption and close-mindedness increases at least 4-5 times than other usual months. If only people could comprehend the divinity and opportunity of this month. For me, I feel like this month can be the death of one's petty little self and rebirth as a integrated full human being