Karmadhi

Do you even read what i wrote? I said i did your way and did not work. Simple as that.

The women's perspective in this topic is irrelevant. I listented to it for years, does not work Most guys here will agree with me on this.

Is rejection rate lower in daygame? Girls with actual boyfriends dont count.

Also keep in mind not every girl will be into your looks. There is nothing wrong with that per say. It is how life works. Talk to a lot of girls and some will find you at least okay looking. If you totally not her type, then yeah, you cannot attract her however if you talk to a lot of girls you will those that will be into your looks at least somewhat. It is a threashhold thing. You do not need them to find you legit handsome to attract them, "he is okay" is honestly all you need for them. And yes maximize your looks if you havent already. Good clothes, good gromming, skincare (if your skin has issues), GYM GYM GYM GYM etc are MUST for every man.

Why do this honestly, if you like him just go for it...

A video for Incels would be appreciated

Thanks bro, appreciate it! I ve lost like 4 girls so far because i was a pussy and did not make moves so it feels good ngl. Thank you!

I mean this one was okay with it and at some point we were holding hands sitting close to each other for like 5 seconds and she did not let go. That is what made me believe it was the moment she would be receptive to a kiss. Idk if it was the right move but she didnt move away, she return the kiss then kissed me again after like 10 seconds or so herself. "It was just a friendly meeting, things got weird at the end, beer in empty stomach" BS. One thing i should clarify though is that this one actually tested me quite openly and even said so. She would do these games where she would ask me what platform the train is, then she she would say the train was on another platform on purpose so to see "how confident i was on my opinion". She would say stuff like "Im trying to make you more confident etc" but did it in such a way that i found a bit offputting. Is this normal beahaviour?

I only listen to guys when it comes to dating advice, females are clueless.

I texted her after we met. I cant be texting her always me every day. There should be some sort of equality. Do not forget it was me who asked her out both times, who added her on insta, who started the convos etc. I think it is enough investment from my part.

Ok thank you!

Guy wants sex or gf. He will push you towards that. Simple. No need for games, if he does games it is to hook you not to "test" you then ditch you like girls do. A guy decided on the first 10 seconds whether he would sleep with you or not and they are very difficult to turn off from doing so unless you are crazy or something. If they play games it is to basically hook you so you will become more invested on him and not pull these bs games i am experiecing rn.

Thanks for the advice but i was referring via texting. If i get a meetup 1 on 1 then i kinda know what to do. I am clueless about texting though (the gateway to a meetup). So if i brush off what she said via texting, tell her a date to meet and she asks again "is this friendly meeting" what should i text back. That was my question

I do not know a single guy that does this stuff, they are pretty obvious if they want something or not. I do not know what kind of guys you re talking about tbh. I try, i really do! I know. It is not over yet. However this is the furthest i have ever gotten with a girl (if i dont count meeting someone that is staying over a weekend and you ll never see again stuff). Dating properly wise, i never got this far. So i am still in uncharted territory.

I am rather unlucky then, so far they ve all been like this. I ll keep moving forward regardless until i find someone that loves me the way i am.

Idk why i always get girls like these, i just want a normal girl. Lessons learned. I am very straightforward in dating regarding meetups and stuff. I never say anything explicitly but i never play these dumb af games. So far every girl i have been on dates with has been weird in her own way. Well i replied to her story 2 days after and texted a bit then suggested to meet up later that week. To me this is more than enough to imply i had a good time.

Yes but i was rejected/friendzoned when i did this in the past (not touching nor kissing on a first date) . I would rather not make the same mistakes again. Most first dates do not end up with sex yet people still end up together. Lesson learned. Leo scolded me too about it. I am just extremly punctual and i would always show up even with a friendly meeting with another guy and i project that into others and expect them to do the same. My mistake. I doubt i gave such a strong player vibe that i would EXPECT sex on a second date. However this is just my assumption, maybe you are correct. That is what i have been planning to do. Getting the meetup is the hard part. She is being bit defensive about it.

Exactly, they are the hardest ones to get due to their conditioning so as a beginner i am a bit lost, hence why i made this thread. I always text like this tbh, it was her that opened up this "hey btw this is friendly meeting right" BS. If i ignore her bs and try to arrange a meeting and she brings up again this "friend" bs should i just clarify it or just flirt back.

I am trying not to get too attached to it because i have suffered greatly in the past from over-investment with girls. Made massive progress in this domain but still could be improved a lot. At this point i feel like being sociopathically detached is the only way to date and stay sane as a guy

I mean yeah but this one comes from a more conservative culture so i do not think she has 20 bodycount like most western girls do. Does not mean she will not fuck under the right conditions but i doubt she will agree to fuck me on 2 dates, keep in mind i dont have PUA level game. If she actually did not show up on the date on purpose then it is a purely dick move and really disrespectful. I wanna believe she forgot due to low investment since we did not text for a week, not that she did it on purpose. The one i went out with 3 months ago definetly would have but with her i messed up by not kissing her on the first date. Ok thank you, will keep it in mind.

I know man i learned that 2 years ago. Each failed date, a lesson never to be repeated. Funny enough 3 months ago i lost a super dtf girl because i did not kiss her on the first date when she clearly wanted to (i made a post about that also) and now i am getting "shit" for kissing someone on the first date. The BS is endless with girls.

Leo is saying what works, not what fits the female agenda.

If she is obviously into me why would she play these dumb games which could cost her me. Isnt it better for her to just implicitly go along with what i do instead of playing these dumb games. If i was into someone i would be happy to meet them instead of playing dumb games which could ruin the chances of me meeting them. At least this is how i think about stuff, maybe girls are different.

Yeah that is my last resort, but i prefer to do these things implicitly rather than a big "i like you" stuff.

Thing is i do not have a clear meet day yet. She said "unsure" about the weekend and the only day i can meet her is when she will probably be with other people and fuck that. What is worse is that i need to get out of her game shit first, so i think flirting back is the best thing to do atm.