Breakingthewall

The only conclusion for me is that infinite nothingness does not exist. The infinite nothing that is experienced isnt really nothing, it is something, consciousness, whatever, because if it were nothing, it could not be experienced. nothing is non-existence, no experience

I was not there, only at the end of the experience. I'm talking about breakups with 5 meo. My mind is in the process of refinement (using your words), still tied to a great extent to the "karmic" but having seen the absolute necessity to free itself from all bondage. A year ago i wouldn't have known what I'm talking about. Now I'm working 24/7 in that. 5 meo is my teacher, beyond any writing, so instead of showing me only wonderful landscapes, he teaches me what I feared and did not even know that I was afraid. I take the opportunity to link to another of yours, very inspiring, in case someone wants to take a look at it

In my limited experience I have seen the infinity, without limits, and because it was infinite it was nothing, since any "something", in comparison, became a zero, flat, without shape . I would like to know more, but the terror of annihilation leaves no space I talked about a point without dimension because I realized myself as a point in the no space that wasn't happening, stuck in the no time, eternal because it isn't any movement. But who knows if it was point. Much more dentegration of the veil are required

@Leo Nordin your dilemma is simple: stop circling, looking for examples, well-trodden paths. Everything is much simpler: listen to your inner guide, if you let it speak you will see that it is irresistible. listen to advice? doubt what is correct or not? that is not the way. the path is unique, singular, sacred. don't corrupt it with doubts, just listen to yourself, and always do that you have to do. Impossible to get wrong

your mind is sharp as a blade. it is true that you delight in listening to yourself. But the music that your instrument composes is in tune. A pleasure to listen

the problem with the unlimited is that there can be nothing beyond it. but all the infinite kosmos is at the same time a point without dimension. from the absolute arises the relative, so the nothingness generates something. from here the reason seems useless. but it is a fact that the human mind has the rare ability to understand the universe.

The eternal crazy dance. How is possible that exist? How is possible that is all that exist? Well, who knows the ultimate nature of the reality

I don't think that the brain contains anything, rather it restricts. creates a barrier to limit perception to form. ever with psychedelics have you had the vision or the memory of yourself with less than 2 years of age? to be with hardly any form, pure being. From there, the mind defines and limits reality, until we get to the point of beginning to de-define and de-limit to regain access to that essence but with a developed mind. It is difficult because the two things do not coexist comfortably

The thing is that 5 meo is not like a trip, it's a magic pill that dissolves the illusion. it doesn't take you anywhere, it shows you what is really there now. for me the horror of emptiness has been necessary because I was very attached (or am) to illusion. there is neither empty nor full, there is only kosmos. It is not something that can be digested in a moment, unless you are very prepared, years of meditation, etc. for someone who has not even imagined the possibility of nothingness, infinity, it can be horror, but that is because you have to become more flexible to be able to erase the veil

the illusion ends and you continue to be the cosmos

I would say that the i that you are dissolves and the being that you really are continues to be, as always. Since it is the entire universe, that your i disappears is irrelevant, but could be that that i is somehow reborn, or restarts with part of its identity, to continue evolving in some way

Im not sure if I understand what is shining light on the identity. I meant to stop to be you...to indentified all the thoughts that are forming your "I" , that basically are all your thoughts, and de-identify with them. take a step back and see them for what they are, an illusory construction, and go to the real, the here and now where the immutable being that you really are is. Everything that is not that is to go around in a circle even if it seems to you that you are moving forward. you think you have your ego almost fixed, and you are exactly the same as at the beginning. It is not a matter of improving, it is getting off the wheel. I think that for that the ego has to be really tired of itself, that's why I said that having a shitty ego is lucky

@Loving Radiance you ego is a mess. Normal, it's an ego. Trascend the ego is the only way. Fix the ego is working for nothing. If your ego is a shit, welcome. More reason to trascend it. Tell to you ego, your remembers, your mess: bye, as soon as you can

look at the cosmic orchestra where each piece fulfills its role, where each molecule is in its place, where the perfect synchrony exceeds the imaginable. kneel humbly if you grasp even a tiny part of its magnitude. but never try to cover it with your human mind, it's impossible

@VeganAwake well, ajata says: absolute infinity is nothing. something cannot come out of pure nothing. therefore something is really nothing. Okay... really nothingness is infinite and any finite "something" in infinite nothingness is 0 by contrast or division, but ... observe a bird closely, without thinking, just observe it in the precise present moment. you will see yourself. the pure being that exists, right here, right now, out of the time. Is it "nothing"?

Great that you realized. Now the question is how to heal it. In my experience, I tried to heal my ego by focusing on the outside. a lot of effort, a lot of discipline, interesting adventures, lots of karma burned, but little happiness. if you can avoid this stage better for you, although I suppose that sometimes it is necessary. it is more practical to focus on the Interior, rather than to heal your ego, transcend it, eckart tolle style, which according to what he explains suffered in an obsessive way similar to the one you explain, and in a moment everything changed. It seems that this is possible without going through a long way of fighting against the world. Maybe my recommendation is a bit irresponsible, but seeing that with 125 ug you have remained in the ego ... maybe if you double the dose you will jump, or if not with 5 meo. I hope you can avoid years of war and get into the love as soon as possible

@NondualesStudium hah I misunderstood you sorry to be so ill thinker. My English is far to be good. I will see that video, and explore Jed McKenna, I never read him. thank you! Edit: Im looking for those books of McKenna, do you remember the titles where he talk about those concepts?

What do you mean? Are you familiar with terms like respect, or open minded? Maybe you should learn them. I exposed those experiences to help and to share. Of course I know that some people could ridicule them...that's life.

If you know how big are the balls that you need for that, you know a lot. I haven't that balls neither, but it's no choice. The deconstruction is calling you since you were 16, sure at the end you re going to accept

That is. It's hard to loose everything that you know

I would not try to avoid that fear but to go deeper, since it represents something real, and also the key to the spiritual journey, the death of the ego. It is not only terrifying but in some way sad, but being is wonder and also there is no possible choice.

More or less the same than me. I think it's real...for the ego. In my case it's not like I'm gonna dissapear, its like there is nothing already, but the meaning is the same. Is your terror as an ego facing the reality. You are going to totally dissapear , became a zero. I take it as an opportunity . In a level it's a madness, horrible. You want permanence. In another level...it's the reality. We, as an ego, are nothing, we are going to dissapear. The spiritual work is to dissapear right now. It's terrifying but must be done.

@RedLine could you explain the experience? I have had experiences that I think may be similar with psychedelics. infinite emptiness, total annihilation, and the certainty that this is so right now if you remove the veneer of ego. it's pure terror and I'm working to embrace it. I have also had the opposite experience: I am the only immortal being, absolute happiness, the one who is , also here and now under the fine veneer of the ego. one thing is wonder, the other is horror

@James123 same for you and for all the people of the forum Wonderful 2021

@allislove very interesting. Both experiences are inspiring