Breakingthewall

For me, what the guy is asking is: if those statements are something that you know rationally, but that they mean nothing more on a real level than something that you know, it is the same as not knowing them, since knowing means absolutely nothing. Let's see what he says

If you can access mystical states , openness and expansion, unlimited, then that is already a lot. If it is something that happens for a brief moment, it is still infinitely more than nothing. You will gravitate towards it, it will become deeper and easier to reach, you open yourself more and more. You know how to do it and you know what you want it, therefore it is obvious that your path will take you there.

Trying to understand infinity is strange, you have to see it from an unlimited perspective. Our experience is limited and appears to have a center: the self, the receiver of the experience, which controls, understands, and desires. The dissolution of that center is what makes the infinite manifest as such. The problem is that either there is the infinite, or there is the self. The self is the one who wants to understand, but cannot because for there to really be understanding, the self must disappear, and the understanding that remains is empty, it is being. So I'd say that it's impossible to understand infinity by logic, because logic is limited.

I think it's simple, when the self is said to be illusory it means the self as opposed to what is not the self. reality now is this experience, and you are that. in this experience things arise. One of them is that it dawns every day, another is your breathing, and many others. The interesting question is: what are you beyond experience? What is reality ultimately?

Interesting, i think I understand what you mean: that you have come out of the separate mental dynamic, in which you see yourself as a timeline that comes from one point and goes to another point and that needs control, and you have settled into the alive present moment . you could call this enlightenment. You realize that this moment is existence, life, and you open to it. What I said above about levels of opening is that I see that from here you can access deep mystical states, to penetrate what reality is. From here the interesting thing begins

He's not saying that, he's saying that he's seen a video of Leo and isn't sure if it's all b.s. He says that he is sure that it is possible to access mystical states and that Leo's advice is valuable for that, but that his description of God is the same as nothing. That shows that he is an intelligent guy, not a believer. The answer would be: don't believe anything, check everything for yourself.

@mike41 What is enlightenment for you?

I think that there is no such thing as being enlightened, but rather levels of depth in your perception and your openness. Normally people who think they are enlightened do so because they have adopted a series of beliefs or mental patterns and believe they have discovered something special. If you have a real openness to the present moment, you don't need to say anything about it, you just live in the moment and that's it. You seek connection with others for pleasure and the beauty of sharing, it does not matter if the other is interested in spirituality or not, the important thing is that are authentic

maybe help them economically to develop, but I suppose that before that there has to be a serious upheaval, something that makes the Palestinians see that it is better to focus on the practical side of life, look to the future, and forget about revenge, although it seems difficult for this to happen

The same can be said of many other areas, but the reality is that there were towns that had been inhabited for centuries. The fact of inhabiting a place for generations creates a right over it. expelling those people is more than colonialism, it is a genocidal action. It is something that has been done throughout history many times, for example Stalin did that kind of thing in Ukraine, and still there are consequences

It has been centuries since a nation has been conquered with the intention of expelling its inhabitants. It has been conquered in colonialism, to have the political power of foreign countries, but the expulsion of a nation for a Western power I would say has not occurred since the Native Americans

Sure, But Israel not only wants to end Hamas, it also wants to show its many enemies that if attacked, it will respond with extreme harshness. If you live surrounded by enemies you cannot show weakness or softness.

it's obvious reading you that your opening to expanded states is zero, it's useless to have a conversation about spirituality with you.

Why do you insult? I Know that many get very offended if his dogma is questioning, but what to do?

Lesson n 1 in spirituality: don't try to understand infinity with the logical mind

Exactly, it's better to forget any idea that tries to define or describe reality.

Infinity means absence of limits. Absence of limit means that nothing is limited, so everything is within you. Enlightenment is opening yourself completely to the infinite that you are, it is not something mental, or becoming aware of, it is a total explosion, like breaking a dam on a river. Before, a limited stream came out, which is your actual experience, when it breaks, everything flows without limit, it is not something that can be thought, it is something that can be done. But just because everything is within you does not mean that there is nothing outside of you. paradox. the interpretation: since I am infinite, my experience is the only thing that exists, it is egoic logic. limited, erroneous, small, miserly. inside is outside, outside is inside. Inside you is the infinite, outside you is the infinite. do you understand? it is incomprehensible by the mind. The structured mind can only function in a linear, defined, limited dimension, not in an infinite dimension. For that you have to leave it behind, break the structures, become unlimited.

Without dimension you mean zero dimension I guess. You can't imagine it because it's nothing, not a point, except a location point.

so infinity means that only your actual experience exist. Quite limited infinity, seems finite.

Infinity just means without limits

I said that and it was wrong, God is not someone who does anything, that interpretation is normal because we cannot understand that something is done without an agent. It is something subtle but fundamental, since when you believe that you are God imagining reality, that you that is positioned as the cause is really the effect. The problem with doing this is that it closes off the possibilities of a real opening. When I said that of I snap my fingers it is because I took a psychedelic and had a vision of infinity, of how the absence of limits caused infinite realities to unfold, but the subsequent interpretation of: I snap my fingers and that happens, is wrong. no one causes the unfolding of infinite reality, it is an inevitable consequence of infinity

I want to express that you are not god because "you" is just the feeling of a center. What you really are now is the experience that is happening, and that is a manifestation of reality, and therefore, it is reality, so yes, it can be said that you are God. But what is not correct is to say: you are God and you are imagining reality, because God is not someone and is not imagining anything, there is no one behind doing anything, it is reality that, being infinite, manifests itself infinitely, it is much more complicated than: God (whatever that is) is bored in his infinite love, so he imagines a show and creates a set to fool himself into having an adventure. It is not that, it is not something personal that someone does, there is no someone, what it is is the living infinity, something incredible that arises from the fact that there are no limits, an inevitable natural phenomenon: infinite existence, and that is what we are. but the configuration of that is very mysterious and complex, and the substance of reality is infinity, there is nothing else because that thing is everything, and that means that a snot from your nose is the complete infinity. This means that it is impossible to capture it with the structured mind because this mind only creates mental schemes, you have to capture it with your infinite essence, going beyond the structures.

I think that the idea: I'm god and I'm imagining the reality is wrong. It is a wrong turn that takes as its center what is circumstantial. The self is created in the dual appearance, without it there is no self, and there are no others. If reality dissolves until there is no differentiation, it manifests as an infinite abyss of existence. This is what we really are. Since there are no limits, this happens, the mystery of existence, the glory, you can call it god. But what is being talked about here is not that, but rather what this experience is. Saying that it is a dream, a mental image of that "god" is total nonsense imo, it is not like that at all because when you say that it is because you confuse God with the self, and if you do that you stay forever in the surface, flat, lifeless

Yeah, everything is alive and unfolds infinitely. It couldn't be otherwise because reality is infinite

@Adrian colby I quoted you by accident, I was answering Razard, who correct me saying, you don't know what is love, etc, because i said: you are not god, meaning that the self is a construction and it's very difficult to get out of if.