Breakingthewall

Yes, but as I said above, this is not the end, is just the beggining. Well, now you have dissolved the separated self and you don't live in the nightmare of the ego, you really identify with reality. No center, openess, you can be in total silence, bliss, etc. but this is still limited because you can't perceive what you really are. by doing 5meo you can reach a seemingly infinite state that is still limited. For the total opening to occur, you have to insist, the void is the last frontier. when the absolute total infinity manifests in you, it is the total openness. everything, infinity . the infinite source flowing, and you recognize yourself as existence, but also existence manifests itself in its divine character, the flow of love that flows for the fact that it's not bottom, with the force of a jet stream. And infinite explosion that happens infinitely and it's manifestation is this reality that we are experiencing. and this in my opinion is just scratching the surface, just a glimpse of what it is possible to realize, to be.

@Water by the River ok, then full enlightenment is the complete dissolution of individuality and identification with absolute reality without limit. and according to you that eliminates suffering. Ok, agree (with suffering let's say, minimize it). let's see, you give great importance to thought, and you focus the process of enlightenment on mastering and understanding the source of thought. Maybe it's necessary without psychedelics. the source of thought is obvious: reality, like everything else. it is not necessary to stop the thought but to see through it, understanding what the thought is, and paying no attention to it. dissolve individuality completely and identify with infinity, ok, let's call it enlightenment. It is not the end of the matter, it is the beginning. Before to this point you are insane and your life is a nightmare. after this point, freedom begins, you flow and understand. but the reality of what you are is unlimited, as you will perceive if you have really transcended the limits, then you will see the need to explore, to go deeper. Do you understand the pattern of existence that it means to be a human? the layers of code that make up this experience, what are they? everything opens, unfolds, and psychedelics are the key. psychedelics are a key into the code that this experience is. They are nothing foreign to you, they are you. and you don't use them? impossible. Limited. But of course, anyone have their preferences, and no one is the good one

What is full enlightenment? Could you describe?

Permanent damage? For example?

@Water by the River The question would be: Are you completely free of Buddhism and cite it as an interesting curiosity after having those realizations yourself, or is your mind subtly attached to it? the mind is very reluctant to let go. Are you able to really open up to reality, without any expectations? So you can have the hobby of reading Buddhism or whatever and contrasting it, but if Buddhism conditions your mind, then it's toxic.

It seems that there are as many definitions of awakening as there are people. for my awakening it is the rupture of the appearance of finitude. reality is no longer perceived as flat and manifests itself as depth without limit. in that depth is everything, and that is what you are. from here the real understanding can start, the verbal logical mind is recognized as the limited software that it is, the energetic limitations begin to dissolve, and you begin to flow as the reality that you are. not being awake is limitation and stupidity, it is necessary to wake up as deep as one can.

Yeah, reality is the maximum wonder, the ultimate glory, the bottomless life

if reality had no purpose, it would be an undifferentiated infinite hole. open yourself completely to what reality is and you will see what it is: a dance of love. reality is the glory of existence loving itself and for this it manifests itself exactly as it does. It is not a game or a hoax, it is love flowing from infinity, dancing with itself.

Saying that I see that your understanding about reality is low. Infinitely selfish because is infinite will. reality is not chaos, it is perfect order, a tendency towards more complexity, more conciousness, more creativity. beauty, dance. God seeks love with infinite selfishness because it's is in love with itself

I'm not inventing or doing mental processes, just observing myself and drawing conclusions. Thats your narrative, that is the most widespread. It is exactly what leo says: God is infinitely selfless and allows everything. i say: bullshit. God is selfish and only allows what serves a purpose. the divine work has a definite direction

God goes towards self-awareness, he does not hide himself on purpose, he hides himself because he cannot at the same time be a rat with a rat's life and be aware of infinity, and he wants to be a rat, a worm, etc, because all is evolution, god is creating itself as reality in that way. we are aiming for higher consciousness because it is where reality points , if not it would be impossible

@Jowblob anyway, Since you give me possibly useful advice, I'll give you another: don't give in to your fear. All that stuff about the void is very intimidating, terrifying rather. you have to come back again and again. If something scares you, that's where you should hit. going on a deep trip and conceptualizing it for a whole year is a mistake, I say this from experience. there is no need to procrastinate, we have to breakthrough, again and again.

maybe what you say is true and until now listening to teachers has seemed toxic to me, mental contamination, but at a given moment it would be wise to listen to them. Let's see.

what that guy says doesn't matter to me, any idea is limitation. There comes a point where you have to forget any idea, yogananda, leo and everyone. Only your intuition can guide you, and mine says: open up to rhe now, understand at a deep level, free yourself from all limits. Nobody is enlightened, nobody did this work before me. Nobody even exist. Everything depends on me. Just me can do the thing. The reality must be opened.

that's what you think. What I believe is that this is a natural evolutionary process, and only those who are prepared for it will make the cut. There is nothing mystical about it. or rather, absolutely everything is mystical. understanding is the key, whether it is predestined or not is none of my business, my job is to dig deeper and avoid deception. nothing is guaranteed, just my drive to get the work done

It seems that the road is going in that direction, but for that to happen, the gears must fit perfectly. It is a subtle process, more complicated than it seems. I believe that it is necessary to understand in a deep way, or else we will get stuck in false exits

life carries the "evil" written in its source code. without evil, life does not exist, or would be totally basic. ever since a bacteria discovers that if it kills another bacteria and feeds on it, it will become stronger, you've got it. the dance begins. without evil, there would just be solitary bacteria photosynthesising in the ocean, pretty boring. In nirvana for sure, but it seems that reality had wilder plans

the purpose of the ego is evolution. It is the work of absolute genius. Until the human, life evolves in a physical way. In a hostile environment, changes in the DNA are the means of survival, which brings a progressive increase in complexity. from bacteria to elephant in a few million years. the ego is the tool 2.0. From the dynamics of the pack, solidarity and leadership, the human emerges, with perfectly designed software to initiate a new mode of evolution, evolution through the mind. Not physical or tangible. the creation of the collective ego through language. the mixture between the solidarity of the clan and the tribe, to the ruthless competition with those outside the clan, which emulates the fight of the animal with the environment. Due to competition, war, humans recreate the wild natural environment but increase their evolutionary stimulus by millions. the speed is exponential. the possibilities, total. the human has the potential to dominate reality, shape it, understand it completely. The ego will be transcended when it's not useful anymore, not before, and I suppose that only to a certain point, although who knows what the future of humanity will be like

Christianity is a pretty profound parable. starting with the story of the apple and the garden of eden. the human, described as the misfit, unfinished being, stranger to tranquility, peace, always stranger. out of god. the original sin that makes humans a suffering being. after the redemption of Christ. the human who completely abandons his ego and transforms into a divine being. the human as a larva between the animal and god, destined to be one with god, but always tempted by satan, murderer like cain, exploitative, evil, diabolical. god described as: i am. By the way, a very good adaptation of A Course in Miracles, quite evocative. but Christianity, like any system of thought, must be abandoned. It's a novel, nothing at all. the mind must be empty of expectations in order to open to infinity.

For me there are two types of spiritual work. First, the one that consists of realizing that you are the whore of the ego, that is, of all the projections of other people that you have made yours, and freeing yourself from that, in order to be a completely free individual, anchored in the now, without fear. In summary, enjoy life and that this is not a kind of anxious race to nowhere, looking for gallons to finally be able to look in the mirror. second, explore states of consciousness. psychedelics. the great mystery of infinity, which opens before you. beauty, existence, mystery. these two spiritual strands make life wonderful and not a nightmare.

@Holykael you are a very interesting example. I can see that you are intelligent, but at the same time your objective is to sink as much as possible. Leo says that he knows insanity, I think that the one who wants to know insanity is you. Good luck with your trip, I hope that at some point you change direction. when you hit bottom completely i guess , as it looks like that's your goal

If you want a logical reasoning, try this: reality cannot be limited, it is impossible, since it would have to be limited by something that was not reality, so it is unlimited, infinite. if it is infinite, and you are, you are reality and you are infinite. in infinity there are no parts, the part equals the whole. If you are infinite you are not limited by anything, the limits are imaginary. the others are limits, there is a limit between you and them, therefore, the others are imaginary. only you are. But the logical of infinite doesn't work like that I'm afraid. In fact, the infinity is a-logical, because the logical is something inside the infinity. I'd say that infinity is one and multiple at same time.

satan is, let's say, a line of code implanted in the pattern of existence that means to be human and that has an evolutionary purpose. Christianity is false (and the good lies contain a lot of truth to be effective). there is no god who rewards the good and punishes the bad for the fact that they are bad. there is an evolutionary process. You, as a human, are an enigma that must be clarified, a challenge is proposed. There is some metaphorical truth to the fact that if you do your share of the work and clear your energetic pattern, the suffering will lessen or eventually stop. Suffering is the key, it is the guide that shows the way. Christianity has a fundamental contradiction: God created you. god is omniscient. God punishes you with eternal hell (shit) if you are bad. So God, when he created you, he already knew that your destiny was eternal hell, the son of a bitch. there is no eternal hell, there is transitory hell, and there is always the possibility of getting out of it

all religions are useful to help bear the harshness of being human, but Buddhism has a very marked bias towards the negative, the nothing, the void. Furthermore, as it is also a meditative practice, it seems that the practitioners have found the truth for themselves, but afterwards everyone repeats the dogma: wheel of reincarnations, end of suffering. They do not realize that they are clinging to a system of ideas, they think they are enlightened, all repeating the same mental structures. so Buddhism is sold as a system to awaken and is pure anesthesia

Be in a state different than normal, different perception.