Breakingthewall

If Israel were not expanding, it would be the party that is completely right in this conflict, but by expanding it justifies Hamas as legitimate defense. The big problem is that it cannot stop expanding because it seems that it is full of Jewish fanatics who have the project of a great Israel with biblical borders. This equates both sides as aggressive fanatics.

I mean to displacing the Palestinian population and building new settlements for Jewish settlers. It is an aggressive attitude that seems to have the goal of taking over the entire West Bank at some point. It is true what you said about allowing a Palestinian state. war between the two countries would be almost certain, but stole their land legitimate the terrorism

It is a totally valid point of view. The problem is to continue colonizing the West Bank day by day. How is this justified?

That happened in 1947. Is it a reason to continue occupying their lands now? How do you justify expansionism in the West Bank?

@Nabd I just read about the Sabra massacre that nadbd mentioned before where 3000 Palestinian civilians were murdered by christians, rapes, children with crushed heads, castrated men, scalp. nothing new. Well yes, the fact that the images have been diffused. I have had an emotional and hateful reaction quite serious when I saw it, but the reality is that it is something absolutely common

I don't think so. It is not known how Israeli soldiers will behave in a real war scenario. They are normal guys born in a first world country, with all the comforts, with a lifetime of possibilities ahead of them, not fanatics eager to go to paradise. Getting them into an ambush war in a city can go wrong, although they may behave bravely, it's impossible to know. Better to pave the way as much as possible

probably. Hamas plays with Israel as if it were a puppet. They are doing exactly what Hamas want. If they intend to scare Hamas with violence, it is impossible, since this is their objective, the more deaths the better, more radicalization, more evident Israeli evilness in front of the world. I bet they will free the hostages at some point and they will say: they treated us politely, they just want the freedom of Palestine. The guy organizing all this seems like a smart demon.

disappearance of Gaza, return of the occupied territories, economic compensation to Palestine and closure of borders.

The question is whether that alternative is going to eliminate Hamas. another alternative is selective elimination, very difficult, but at least it doesn't destroy a city without any results. There are 2.5 million people. What are you going to do with them? How do you know who is from Hamas? who is going to tell you? I know that Israel must do something, it cannot remain passive, but I don't know what would be best.

I don't think Israel knows what it is doing, they are improvising in a situation of trauma that is softening as the days go by. They saw the need for an immediate and strong reaction, but as time goes by, minds become balanced and they will see that the destruction of Gaza is useless and works against them. We will probably see a cessation of bombing soon. It would be the most reasonable thing since it will only bring them problems without any benefit, and the scale of revenge is already more or less balanced.

This is similar to the towers. The Islamists, with minimal expenditure, stir up the hornet's nest and then sit back and wait. The stupid bear begins to blow at everyone except them, who laugh watching it and see its objectives achieved: radicalization of Islam, division, war.

How many Hamas militants will be captured? how to identify them? probably few. The destruction of Gaza is an operation of revenge, which is exactly what Hamas seeks, to make the world see the evil of Israel. In the end, Hamas wins. It is not a problem of morality, but of meeting objectives. Hamas' objectives are met, Israel's are not. The world will forget the killings in the kibbutzs in comparison with the disaster in Gaza What do you think of expansionism in the West Bank? What would be the solution to that problem?

The problem is that if Israel wants to do that, it would have to destroy all the buildings in Gaza, or a large proportion. For them, the inhabitants must be evacuated, where will they go? An exit would have to be enabled for the refugees. How to differentiate the civilian population from the Hamas militiamen among these refugees? Hamas is not interested in direct combat, only terrorist actions . They will be hidden among the population. So, what will be the level of success of this operation?

Yes, an intolerable level of injustice and abuse, which the US unconditionally supports, and which causes humiliation to all Muslims in the world and leads to the radicalization of Islamic countries. American foreign policy is one of great evil. There is only one objective, profit, and fuck the rest. As Nuland said, fuck Europe, and she could also say, fuck everyone except us. That's the philosophy of USA. US has been a positive influence and is a great country but more and more he seems like an obese child who wants all the candy for himself, with absolutely nothing else on his mind.

Because deep down, the Israelis, with some exceptions, are Zionists, and they want "the great Israel" that is, all of Palestine, the biblical limits. because you think they have never accepted the two-state solution and have almost never dismantled settlements. If they do, a mass of Hamas-level fanatics will arise, but Jews who think that their divine mission is the expansion of Israel. There are guys like that within the government. they are crazy, that's why there is a war. It's not a war for resources like Ukrainia, it's a war for tribal identities, religious craziness

Thats impossible That's the only possible solution, but it's also impossible, sadly

Yes, it is clear that you are on Israel's team because it is your side, so everything Israel does is fine, and when they repeat here 80 times the issue of expansion in the West Bank, you tiptoe over it, since it is not convenient to maintain your line of thought, you do not investigate it, you are not interested in that. You only focus on Hamas murders, and because of them you see it as justified to cut off electricity and medicines in a hospital. well, it's typical, this is why the world is the way it is

You can condemn the actions of Hamas and at the same time condemn the fact of cutting off electricity, water and medicine in a big city. If Israel were not being watched, we would see what treatment the "human animals" would receive.

Exactly ,It's as simple as that. But if an Israeli political party has that in its program, what electoral results do you think it will have? much worse than if it is extreme right with members who look to the Bible to establish future borders. and US supports this unconditionally. So it's normal that there is war.

It seems incredible to me that being right-wing makes you see Israeli colonialism as legitimate. Isn't there a single right-wing person in the world who sees the abuse that the systematic occupation of another nation's lands entails? I mean the settlements in West bank It seems that the thing is: I am right-wing, to be right-wing is to be pro-Israel, so I am pro-Israel. Since I am pro Israeli, everything Israel does is good. The wonderful thing is that they can dress themselves, have a job, drive. You would say that they are mentally retarded, but no...they are just completely dishonest. Everything mine is good, everything yours is bad. disgusting

I thought the word "awake" was prohibited in this section of the forum ?

?I didn't thought you was Jew, I agree with what you say, but what they are doing with Palestine is psychopathic. They are cornering and humiliating them. They should consider them equal humans, recognize them as a state and nation, give them their territory and stop stealing from them, and if Palestine continues to bother them later, we would see, but now they do not have morality on their side, they are bullies, criminals. They are bringing Jews from all over the world to populate the West Bank. What should Palestine do? They need a Gandhi, but the Palestinians are not too smart it seems, but not being smart does not mean that they have the right to erase you from the map as a nation, make you a second-class citizen and expel you from your land. It's very difficult because Israel isn't going to leave west bank, there are religious reasons, sacred land, etc. Insanity.

@Lila9 Yes, the actions of Hamas are horrible and deserve everyone's condemnation, and it would be good if all of Hamas disappeared, this is one thing, and another thing is that Israel has been committing abuse, acts of war, racism and colonialism against Palestine from decades. Both are true. Where I said that I agree with the attack? I only pointed out the intolerable colonialist abuse that Israel commits towards Palestine.

It is not an opinion, it is a fact. Israel has 621 thousand settlers in the territory of the West Bank and continues to expand it. 200 thousand are in a zone prohibited by international law, this fact is defined as a war crime. There are far-right politicians in the Israeli government who promote the greater Israel, that is, all the territory for them, none for the Palestinians, who have a different status than the Israelis. different is obviously inferior. Should the Palestinians see how Israel is taking over their territory?

You are wrong. Israel is entering the borders of another nation, which it does not recognize, to stole its territory. If Israel did not do that, and recognized Palestine as a nation, then morality would be on its side, but if it continues to expand within the borders of another nation, no. You can say that since they attacked him in 1970, then now, in 2023, I take away your lands, but it doesn't make much sense. If he stops stealing land, returns what he has stolen, and recognizes Palestine, maybe there will be peace. It's pretty simple