Breakingthewall

the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them.

I think it's easy to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, showed 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them

Since I know, there is no video from the cameras of Hamas terrorists shown by the Israeli government with torture and murder of children. There are videos on YouTube, but they have to be from that day, not just any video that someone has uploaded and says it was from 7/10

It seems like you don't understand it. I'll explain it to you again: the government of Israel said that Hamas intentionally and horribly killed and tortured children and babies, that it approached three-year-old children and tortured them. Then they said that they were human animals for it, and that revenge was necessary, then he started bombing civilians in Gaza. Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children. For you this is very good, you don't want to think about it, whatever, but for me it is an important part of this matter

No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie.

If that is true, why has it not been talked about or shown as an example of Hamas's brutality? I guess you understand that it is easy to tie a guy charred by a bomb to the bed or upload a video of another massacre, but the reality is that the IDF has the cameras of the Hamas terrorists in their possession, and they have shown a selection of 45 minute images to journalists, and there is no torture https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2023/10/26/israeli-accounts-share-deceptive-video-accusing-hamas-of-killing-a-pregnant-woman

If so, then I'm wrong, but for now it seems more like he's pretending to do that in the face of public opinion, but deliberately punishing civilians, everything will be analyzed in detail and then we can make an opinion based on the facts.

If the IDF proposes the evacuation of civilians, but Hamas does not allow it, then it would be obvious that they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. If the IDF cuts off electricity in hospitals and drops phosphorus bombs, it is obvious that this is revenge against civilians.

What horrible videos have you seen? I have read what they showed the journalists and it is horrible but it is not torture. It's possible that there have been, I don't deny it, I'm just interested in knowing the truth about that.

Some points of view from Palestinian

For me, the issue of torture is significant. From the beginning there was talk of babies intentionally burned alive, beheadings of babies, mutilations and torture. Then the government said that it was going to show it publicly and it did not, it showed 45 minutes of recordings to a group of journalists, they did not mention anything about torture, but about civilians being shot, a case of a father who fled with two children and was thrown a grenade, the children survive terrified, the Hamas terrorist takes them to the kitchen and gives them a Cocacola, then the terrified mother arrives and the recording is interrupted, it is terrible but it is not the same as burning children alive or amputating their hands to see how they bleed to death. These stories, spread by the IDF and the government, but which are not supported by images, are lies, since if they were true they would have been spread. The only motivation for spreading these lies is to justify what was planned to be done: genocide. Throwing phosphorus bombs at civilians is genocide, Israel is a criminal state and in a very short time the entire international community will admit this fact.

It has all the time he wants to organize it, if he really wants to put an end to Hamas, but it is obvious that he does not want this, since without evacuating Gaza it is impossible, they would have to kill 500 thousand civilians. What Israel wants is what its leaders have said publicly: revenge on human animals, and it's what is happening now.

Its totally easy, evacuate women and kids and old people and place them in refugees camps in Israel, and you know it.

It is wrong in your opinion, but what it really is is a continued act of war towards a weaker nation, perpetrated by a government that wins elections time and time again. This people are justifying an act of war against another nation. This is unacceptable today, the entire world must stop Israel, and I would say that it will do so, regardless of the fact that in your country the far-right radicals continue to be the most voted group.

The abuse and theft towards Palestinians is supported by the state. If a settler expels a Palestinian from his home, and kills one of his relatives, the Palestinian cannot report it to the authority, since it will do nothing. What can the Palestinian do? Besides terrorism I mean. emigrate? I guess many can't In this war, the president of Israel has said that they will get revenge, and the minister of defense that they deal with human animals, and then they have started bombing civilians, burying women and children in rubble. It's obvious. What is the difference between that terrorism and that of Hamas? At least Hamas risks their lives by doing it, the Israelis do it without risk, with American material.

Yes, countries also commit genocides, invasions, all kinds of things. I do not understand your answer. Your country systematically steals land from another country, since the Bible says it has the right. This makes your country a criminal. If it didn't do it it would stop being one, but it does it, and since it's your country you justify it.

Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state.

I see it as quite obvious. Israel has not attempted to remove mothers with children from Gaza. It's easy, it's small, you can try, there is time to defeat Hamas, they can't escape. but they hasn't done it, they prefer to bomb mothers with babies. They are criminals who act out of revenge and hatred.

I have seen videos of shootings and of a girl with the broken legs in a van, but the Israeli government insists on generalized torture, burning children alive and things like that, 3 days ago they said they were going to show images the next day, and then they didn't. Much of the anger towards Hamas is because of this, and it justifies the bombings for many. Would be interesting to know if it's true

The fact of expansion in the West Bank completely delegitimizes Israel. It turns it into a terrorist state, where there is no justice. The army's collaboration with the settlers in the abuse of the Palestinians justifies terrorism as a defense in the eyes of many. It is a fact important enough to define Israel. Israel is not a country that is governed by justice but is a criminal country. And after this war, the world is going to see Israel as a criminal

My realization in states of openness is that everything is deliberate and perfect, but I do not even remotely understand what this experience is, how it is generated and why. My objective in spiritual work is not that for now, it is the opening to the unlimited, and for that I have to abandon any attempt at understanding, but perhaps a very deep understanding of what this experience is and what God is is possible.

where have you seen that? The Israeli government said it was going to spread the brutalities committed by Hamas and it has spread absolutely nothing, it only says things but does not show them, it loses credibility every minute

All humans identify with the self, with the entity that thinks and has a breathing body, as if we were the owner of a machine. that is the self that is said not to exist, in the sense that it is not the center of experience. The experience itself is what we are, and beyond the experience, we are the existence that is creating this experience. This is absolutely mysterious to me. It's something I can't see but I think at some point I will. What I do achieve with psychedelics is the opening to total infinity, the source of life, the living unfathomable absolute. I don't understand the how and why of this experience, but I see its deliberation. every micron of this experience has a purpose, nothing is coincidental. Every breath is deliberate, every atom is exactly where it needs to be. We will see how far this can be opened, what depth can be accessed. As @Dodo says we do not have to have any borrowed wisdom, the mind must be completely empty, without the slightest structure, this allows the possibility of delving into the wonder that this eternal moment is.

only conclusions looking at the facts, perhaps not accurate. When a refugee camp is bombed, it is a decision that is made knowing what one is doing, the same as when snipers killed children in the 2018 protests. The only conclusion for me is that they are trying to communicate that in the event of a war escalation, the consequences will be total destruction, in order to force a peaceful attitude on the adversaries, out of fear.