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@Cosmin_Visan It is good that you want to evolve science! We need people like you in the community. But awakening is not relative to science at all I would say, ive had such radical experiences that my mind just died it felt like, it was fucked up. Awakening is when you see the Truth. Conciousness is infinite and unlimited and can imagine ANYTHING. But how thoose imaginings work is why we need someone like you! This is interesting ?

@Cosmin_Visan What individual? How can different points of view within conciousness interact with eachother? Cause they are conciousness ? And quantum mechanics and so forth, you recognize when you awake that it is a imagination!!! Hello?? This is relative truth you are speaking about. How does the dream world function? That I do not know. The observer is causing the wave function to collapse. There is no science without the observer. We are creating reality as we go. But I have become directly concious of conciousness imagining everything into existence, how? I don't know but it makes sense that it is like how your mind creates a dream. Like I said im not going to argue with you. Sometimes I feel like this world had already been created and now we are experiencing it.

@Cosmin_Visan Im all for finding out stuff and when you do find something interesting please share it with us =) And im not going to argue about anything with you Im interested in what you found just so u know

@Cosmin_Visan Pure conciousness is nothing but peace love and all knowing. It is imaginary, but when you have awakening experiences you recognize thqt we all share the same being, why would i want to kill people then? This creation is love.

@Cosmin_Visan there is but one conciousness dude. And what the content of this dream displays are not of interest to me. I want to know what conciousness is, and I have found out and that is good for me. I still enjoy going to the gym and doing stuff, but I know that everything is imaginary and conciousness is total empty to contain everything else. But to say that iam not awake just because om not interested in how the rules of nature works. The ego wants understanding and to control the dream, awakening means waking up to realize it is but a dream within infinite conciousness. It is a big difference.

@Cosmin_Visan Not interested in it at all, all I see is conciousness doing its thing =) It is a dream anyhow. But I do admire that you do this kind of thing mate

@Space Indeed!

@Cosmin_Visan this is not about a belief or anything like it, this is serious shit. This path is the most difficult to go through ever. Your whole reality will crumble. It aint all sunshine and rainbows and flower power. But the Truth is what matters. But ultimately reality is a mysterious thing

@Cosmin_Visan LOL, if you knew what conciousness was you would not post this thread. Do you think this is philosophy? I can assure you it is not. Conciousness is all that there is period. But we can still talk about the relative and what conciousness can do , thats the fun part about it. But at the same time there is no one to do anything. There is no separation between anything, awareness is aware of it self as it self and thats all that there is, but to call it anything is to put a limit on it.

@Guru Fat Bastard beatiful explanation!

@Will2gain You are over thinking this and only talking about stories and concepts you have been taught all ur life. Awareness/conciousness is all that there is to reality, you have only experienced conciousness. So if you go inward you can soon recognize that awareness is holding everything in ur reality together, so the mind is awareness contracted into perception sensation thoughts, but you can become concious of that awareness have zero objective qualites. Thats why it is hard to become of awareness itself, but when you do, you recognize that that is what you are, you are not a brain, the brain is a perception that happens within this awareness, and neuro scientist are studying the mind but awareness is prior to mind, awareness is ofcourse everything cause nothing is outside of itself. But the mind is a finite limited version of conciousness in order to experience an objective world and others. Problem is when you get stuck in identifying with ur body and mind, your body is only a sensation!! How can a sensation be aware of another sensation? Awareness is aware of everything.

There is no objective world in that sense, there is only conciousness, all you have ever experienced is conciousness ? infinite awareness contracted into objects and limited minds.

That my whole life has been something ive imagined, and that what I am is totally nothing and empty

@Mikael89 I know man, and I don't mean to sound rude or anything brother! Hope you didn't feel like I was rude or something =) One love.

@Mikael89 experience changes, your mad your sad you feel happy, Someone is rude to you or whatever, but one thing remains constant through it all without a change, what is that?

@Mikael89 But it is good that you are open to possibilitys but this is totally your ego who thinks that it is a knower, the knower and the known is precisly the same, and this you can know. You dont exist. Experience exists. And how can something that is not aware become aware? Conciousness/awareness has always existed, it is existence itself, without it you would not know anything. Contemplate this. How can something prior to awareness exist? When everything you have ever experienced is awareness? How? This is materialistic view of the universe. And now a days it is called pan psychism, the universe is concious, NO Conciousness is the universe. How can something exist without something being aware of it? Remember that what you have learned about reality since you were a Child does not correlate with your experience. Awareness is all that there is. Awareness is awareness always Conciousness is knowing itself by being itself always, thats what it does. Its really simple. To reduce awareness down to brain activity is a dangerous move. What comes first? Awareness or brain? From your own experience not what someone else has told you.

@Mikael89 You are stuck in storys, recognize how your mind is distorting your True Nature, I dont even exist as a person so no im not a knower, there is only knowing period. And direct experience is King. You have not experience a round or a flat earth, so it is a moot point. If we are looking at what neuro scientist says, is that your brain hallucinates your reality, how then can we be sure that the brain is really there? Is it not awareness that concieves of a perception and story about a brain? The only thing that you can't ever deny is thst you exist.

@Mikael89 Then you have not had enough of awakenings, your brain is a story and a hallucination. Your mind creates perceptions and this you should be aware of when you are on a psychedelic. You are stuck on a story that you can't know, you can know. Be still and find out what conciousness is. Dont you see that it is your mind who thinks it is the brain? The mind can't know anything without awareness, and awareness is empty and is not a brain, it is nothing. So awareness=existence there is your proof for it. Without you would know nothing. Im even using my mind to write this, but I know that the mind is empty, it is conciousness limited in a human mind. But this is just storys and a problem thanks to language.

@Cosmin_Visan It might but science should always take conciousness and awareness at the first step, always. They are studying conciousness content and think they can study something outside of it. But do you really think academics wants to admit that there lifes work is inside a dream? And I do think that materialism and idealism can co exist it just that materialism is studying how conciousness appears within the dream

@Leo Gura Indeed, the metaphysics insights you get from psychedelics is the best thing with them

@Moksha Yeah makes sense as well cause conciousness is all.

@Shin had the same experience!

The truth is, that conciousness =experience =existence, awareness is shining on its own, everything is happening inside of it. Awareness is existence itself, cause existence =conciousness, if you think about it, you only ever experience awareness that changes perceptions, the brain is percetion and sensations and thoughts. But recognize this, awareness is empty and it is nothing, Yet it is everything. There is nothing outside of it, we will never be able to proof that, cause remember you are using thoughts and images in your mind. But all that the mind really are, is awareness, for conciousness to experience something it needs objects, but how can awareness concieve of something outside of it self when it is experience itself? It is the screen which characters appear and it identifies itself with this limited body and personality, but awareness can be aware of it self, actually it is always aware of it self but it is just hidden behind all beliefs/thought patterns/perceptions, imagine that conciousness is the screen which holds the movie but after the movie stop awareness is still there in its formless state. For awareness to experience something it needs objects, so it projects out from within it self and gives life to everything, awareness is already empty and nothing, it can't go anywhere and dissapear, cause something would have to experience that, so it is impossible, deep sleep for example is awareness without objects, The brain is conciousness projected outward, conciousness can only experience conciousness. You are that, you are the presence, and mind is a attribute that conciousness can limit it self down to, it is a blank slate but it exists, for anything to exist you need conciousness, and here we are. You can directly experience and by knowing that you are not this body, you are everything and nothing. The brain is conciousness! There is nothing else! Conciousness comes first always, it is always the same, perceptions change but awareness remains the same all the time, that is what you are, you are the entire screen and the objects that it sees, everything is.

I think that dreams shows how reality gets made somehow, imagine deep sleep, it is actually conciousness "real state" and creation arises in it, there is no one to change those states, it seamless changes into the dream state, so conciousness is creative but its true state is pure peace and within in, it contains infinite possibilites and fullness. Still trying to figure out how creation in the waking world happens. But where ever conciousness is, there is nature and world wether when sleeping or waking state. How can something exist without conciousness? It is not possible, even if it where we would never know. When I have done psychedelics ive recognized that there is levels to conciousness and the higher you go the more power it has, like infinite imagination.

Yep existence is conciousness, everything you ever experienced is conciousness, everything is made out of conciousness just different perception and sensations, Presence-mind-body is all conciousness, but conciousness have the ability to limit itself to a body and forget what it is, it gets scared and wants to survive ? but it can recognize itself and realize immortality cause it is already nothing. Really contemplate about it, for existence to exist what does it need to know? I exist. Existence=conciousness