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@Carl-Richard @ivory I agree. While I am not getting the full blown negative impact of COVID-19, it is easier for me to see this ending positively. Tons of people, though not everyone, is in a dire situation whether they are paranoid for their mental and physical health, dealing with financial issues and unemployment, or tackling the virus itself. I could go on and on about the negatives of the current situation which is why I also agree that this is having a negative impact overall. I will admit that part of my optimism is a coping mechanism albeit a relatively healthier one but still a coping mechanism nontheless so that can definitely impact my thoughts on how this will turn out. It is still too early to tell and much of this is a tin foil hat thing that I thought might be interesting to share with others. I don't think this will lead to a full on green revolution, that is a long shot given that many people in the U.S. is still very blue and orange. I also think that moving to a stage, integrating to it, and then finally reaching to a place where many people can recognize the limitations of that stage takes decades if not centuries. The events that come with COVID-19 can be a large step forward, but there are still many, many steps ahead that society needs to take. But I will say that people and society is not going to come out the same after COVID-19 and people are rethinking things whether it is on the macro or the micro. I also agree with needing pessimism to create a more well integrated perspective and I would love to hear your thoughts on how things can turn out (especially given my personal blind spots with optimism and limited study on the subject). This whole thing feels like a big event and I personally find it exciting thinking of the ways it can impact the future and apart from my general optimism I'm very curious on how things will turn out. @WonderSeeker Also, may be this is me and my experiences, but I don't think that green is a fuzzy conception at this time in society especially with Millennials and Gen Z when you look at their views on social issues and how they favor alternatives to capitalism because of the potential limitations. Sure, we are still far from fully integrating green, but we also come pretty far within a couple of generations in the last 60 years. As far as a time table goes, that is very, very fuzzy. Again this is my own tin foil hat theory about moving towards green. From what I understand about spiral dynamics is that humanity in general is moving up the spiral. We don't go back unless there is something we have really failed to integrate (also please correct me if I am mistaken). Knowing we are heading towards this direction does give me hope and optimism for humanity as a whole in a large scale. But even though we are headed towards this one destination or pit stop to stage green if you will, I don't know how long it will take or what events can build up and precipitate that. Nevertheless, I can see the situation with COVID-19 as one such event (big or small) given the notion that humanity goes up the spiral. Also @ivory I haven't seen the Zizek video that Leo posted last week. Where can I find it?