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@Nak Khid I agree, you can have teachers and learn from people, without being loyal and worshipping them.

@How to be wise Yeah they're deep but if your just after Non-Duality teachings I hate to break it to you there's much better teachers out there. I'm not debating Leo's teachings go very deep, but just take a look around here, how many people are actually awakened lol, see a lot of trip reports but not many permanent enlightenment/ awakening/ full self-realization reports. Not shitting on the forum, I think it's a great area for discussion, but Leo simply isn't the only non-duality teacher who goes deep, and there's many better than him imo. I mean the person in your DP is probably a much better place to start. Think of the great masters like Ramana and Nisgardatta and in more modern terms Rupert, Francis Lucille and Ramaji and potentially tens if not hundreds more are better at this. Again, I'm not shitting on Leo, he's incredibly young and has positioned himself as a teacher probably too early before he was even remotely awake, and there's thousands of young people with no clue about this getting incredibly confused, it's a hard situation for him, incredibly hard. But, I don't think it's as simple as 'you don't get these teachings,' plenty of teahcers go just as deep, and have had much more time to truly embody their awakenings and aren't teaching from insight alone. I also strongly disagree with his main recommendation being Psychedelics especially when talking to a very young audience, yes they can give incredible insights but to deny the risks is very naive. Again, I have great respect for Leo and his teachings, certain videos have helped me a lot, but he's far from perfect especially as a 'Spiritual Teacher.'

Just thought I’d share this amazing council estate I came across on FB that clearly employs long term thinking, and is hugely benefiting thousands of people. its created an amazing community also by the seems of it, the UK defo need something like this, our council estates are looked down upon and mostly areas where crime and poverty is highest, nothing like what you see in the video, another European country showing how it’s done.

I like aspects of Actualized.org, but agree his devout followers basically agree with every word he says. Leo is an awesome PD teacher, his SD and Politics series were great to say the least. Is he a great spiritual teacher? I’m not too sure on that one yet, it’s early in his journey but right now I could suggest much “more helpful” teachers in terms of spiritual growth than Leo. I feel for Leo though, he’s had to teach from day 1 of his journey near enough, and let’s be real he was teaching without actually being awakened, which comes with a huge set of problems. If Actualized.org is your only source or has been your only source of spirituality, I feel really sorry for you, that’s all I’ll say. Again, amazing for PD and conceptual things, that’s Leo’s strong point. This isn’t meant to be me slagging off Leo, I enjoy a lot of his videos and what he’s created is awesome, but from speaking with several people on here, a couple in the Spiritual community etc, and my own direct experience, and even just looking at the “results” you see on here it’s very clear that there’s much, much more effective Spiritual teachings out there. But as I said it’s still really early doors for Actualized.org in terms of spiritual teachings, so it would be unfair to judge overall I feel

@Nickyy i completely agree with basically every point you’ve made. here in the UK Amazon pay fuck all in tax, yet exploit workers for the fun of it, it’s a bit of a joke, and the worry is if we clamp down on tax under Corbyn they’ll just go elsewhere and then 1000s of jobs could be lost. These companies have far too much power as it is. but people just saying to boycott them also seems a bit unpractical. like I said I can’t just stop selling on amazon, as they are such a huge platform. Power of these companies needs to be reduced, and workers need to actually be treated fairly, but it seems we’re a long way from that, change can be frustratingly slow at times. Yeah, hence Ideological green isn’t the answer, just to abolish all of capitalism as it ignores the upsides of their “enemy” as many ideologies do unfortunately.

Hey @Leo Gura and any other politics lovers. I've been getting more into it recently with the UK elections coming up, and am re-watching Conscious Politics for the 3rd time but this time actually taking notes. I also read some of your blogs and on here Leo that said you wasn't Socialist/ Communist at all, and considered yourself a progressive. You said you had critiques of Socialism/ Communism but I couldn't seem to find them so I thought what better than to start a thread on it. i'd love to know a list of critiques you have because for many young people this becomes a clear ideology, just look on twitter and you'll find the Communist/ Socialist twitter VERY quickly lol. These thoughts came about, as I didn't see any great replies to this threadL from this guy Obviously, he's responding to stage orange capitalism with his Stage Green 'Luxury Communism' I think he calls it, well he tried to sneak in the Communism definition without actually saying Communism 'ok you dont like capitalism but what are you planning to replace it with ?' Common ownership of the means of production This guy has made this into a huge ideology, go through the replies and see, he's also simplified World Hunger to Jeff Bezos just being able to throw money at it, so seems a very stage Green person. I then also pose the question, to reach the Stage Yellow Cap-Soc hybrid how far will we need to delve into green, so how deep we will need to socialism, will Bernie/ Jeremy Corbyn be enough, or will we even need to go further left than that? By the way I am certainly not supporting Stage Orange excess capitalism we have now, but this thread makes out as if Capitalism 100% evil and Communism the most perfect thing ever existed, which is of course clear ideology. The other issue with this is he will create a shadow around business/ starting a business etc, so will never be able to prosper in the current system it seems, as he believes all profit is 'stealing' and unethical with is a very naive way to look at things. Starting a business that genuinely helps people and isn't some sort of vintage Stage Orange corruption, should be rewarded imo and not all labor/ work is created equally, hence not everyone deserves exactly the same pay. However, do agree all humans deserve basic necessities at the minimum and people shouldn't really have Billions lying around, when people in the same country are starving and homeless. Let's not even go into other countries. So, I see why people turn to these 'movements' as the develop into Green. Looking forward to discussing and learning more.

@Raptorsin7 Unlucky bro, learn from it and grow, no need to beat yourself up, once you've learned all you can from it, then move on and smash the next game. Aggression is great in sport as long as you're not hurting other players on purpose, but too much aggression can actually negatively effect performance we done it in Psychology, there's like an optimum level to help you hit the 'Zone.'

Such a key point, just be aware not t demonize thoughts. Investigate and question thoughts, arrive at the silence, rest in the absolute and once awareness becomes the base of your experience thoughts are no longer a problem as there's no sticky 'me' at the center, then the mind is simply used as the tool it is, and you're no longer a slave- which is of course fucking amazing.

@tenta Yes I see your point. As you say he isn't interested and that could be seen as me saying an excuse for him but it isn't, I just mean more would need to be done than throwing money at it, simply systems would need to be put in place to help these countries sustainably grow and thrive, I don't believe any human needs $117 Billion, it's quite ridiculous, however at the same time while Amazon has HUGE issues with worker rights etc, they have changed the face of the world, therefore, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any money. Without Amazon, small business owners like myself would really struggle to grow, as would independent authors, sellers etc, it's a double-edged sword, I really hope companies like this start to evolve to stage green though, although like you said it seems unlikely until they are forced to. @Cocolove Could you link it.

@Husseinisdoingfine I hear you man, that sounds like some serious growth which is great. To me, hardcore socialism seems similar to militant Vegansim (I'm vegan myself so am familiar with the militants lol) as in it comes from a place of love, but still becomes a clear ideology, to the point 'Marxists' believe capitalism has done 0 good for the world and they become quite delusional about communism and pure socialism, so it to me seems very Ideological Green. Whereas, Bernie seems like very healthy green that the world needs, we need more socialistic aspects in our economy for sure, in the UK we have the NHS which gives free healthcare to all, I think in 2019 everyone should have shelter, food and clean water and healthcare, the bare essentuals to survive, and it isn't 'fair' that people hoard billions in excess when their is such unjust. But the solutions aren't exactly simple and straightforward or we wouldn't be here, but I think like any point of view their is some truths to Communism, Socialism and Capitalism. The hard part, is learning how to integrate these political theories to create the best society possible, that is as fair as possible without stifling the innovation business provides, for example I think it's incorrect to say any profit made is 'stealing' from workers, yet I also believe Taxes should be much higher for the richest and much more progressive, but this is why developing a Stage Yellow economy will be so complex as it's finding that balance and it could take centuries to get this right. And, like you say not everything conservatives say is complete trash, they have important policies, and stage orange is an important stage to be integrated. I'm hoping Corbyn (Bernie equivalent other here) gets in power next Thursday but I'm not sure he will unfortunately so it will be another 5 years under conservatives with very little progression made. It's good not to have to stick labels on things, personally I want the best society possible, that helps as many people as possible, and Conservatives certainly aren't that, ideally we will reach a stage Yellow society in our lifetime but I highly doubt it. @Leo Gura second what he says, that Capitalism vs Socialism video would be awesome, perhaps time it early next year and use it as a way to help people understand Bernie

@Alexander78 Would love to try when you make an App store version mate.

@Leo Gura Okay cool. Can you recommend some resources for learning about a Stage Yellow economy, or critiques of these models from a stage yellow perspective instead of the typical orange.

@Leo Gura I completely agree Pre and Post awakening Self-Help is incredibly foundational and important. As you say in your 35+ Subfields of Self Help, Enlightenment/ Awakening does not solve all issues in life at all.

@Leo Gura I see. So if you were to state your 5 biggest critiques of Socialism and Communism as political models to follow, as well as how to criticize them from a Yello standpoint instead of a typical resistant Orange standpoint which is what they are used to. For example, how do you respond to these sequences, they start with a critique of Socialism/ Communism from a Capitalist stand point, then he answers rebutting that, how would you then critique that from a higher stand point. 'Millionaires and Billionaires deserve their excessive wealth because they took all the risk' 'If I took a gamble to set up a sweatshop making shoes in my basement paying slave wages and if they don't work for me they'll starve, do I still deserve all the money I made off of that sweatshop?' 'what if I'm a millionaire, I wouldn't want to pay those taxes" what can I say other than you never will be a millionaire so quit being daft' 'Yeah mate you're not gonna be a millionaire because the best predictor of becoming richer is being born into a family already with a lot of capital to be able to act as a safety net for any potential gambles (such as entrepreneurialism)' and another one 'Socialism has never worked' 'Socialism worked at making the Soviet Union the second most powerful force on Earth in fifteen years. Socialism worked at getting Cuba a lower infant mortality rate and higher life expectancy than the United States.' Sorry for the long replies, its an area I desperately want to deepen my knowledge in.

@Leo Gura Regarding your booklist, do you still recommend reading Traditional Self Help books post awakenings to help Self Actualize ones self and improve certain areas of life? Would you also say to add the deeper teachings to those like Nathaniels to get the most out of them? I still feel there is key lessons from Stage Orange PD to implement in life, as with all the topics on your book list, to create the best life possible.

@TrynaBeTurquoise I'd also argue that yes Skills are obviously essential but what separates the great from the good is the mental side of the game. In football in the UK, we always see incredibly talented young players, however those that truly become World Class, have elite mentalities and incredible consistency, no use having all the ability and putting in 1/10 good performances. Don't underestimate the mental side of competitive sports, but of course I'm not denying foundational skills are essential but I thought that would be a given.

@Raptorsin7 Don't set up too many expectations, especially if you're the best player. One play at a time, only the now matters, you've missed/ made 100 shots this game? Who cares? All that matters is this play now, and what you need to do in this moment. That's what helped me in my sport, taking it one play at a time, I'm from the UK so our basketball was nowhere near US levels but school/ local basketball was always fun for me, however I was never really good or tall enough to take it any further, but it's an awesome sport. Good luck man and know within yourself you're capable of smashing it.

No, it's definitely not, but I don't mean the mainstream horoscpes you see, they probably won't be great most of the time. You'd have to dig deeper if you was interested in it, and it could help you understand yourself a lot more to be fair, just like the Enneagram can, remember Self-Realization isn't the only thing in the world, you'll still have a personality after enlightenment so Personal Development will still be important, and is actually easier Post-Awakening as there's no I-Thought sabotaging you, that's what I've found anyways.

@Inliytened1 Good description ngl. Too much focus on the 'Destruction of Ego' when in reality you'll still have a personality after enlightenment and still be 'you.' However, there is no 'me' at the centre of your feelings, thoughts etc, it's hard to describe in words without confusing someone so I'll stop for now lol.

@sausagehead Start with reading some of these authors- Ramaji, Ramana Maharshi, Nisgardatta Maharaj, Rupert Spira etc Either start working with a teacher 1-1, PM me if you wanna know my teachers, or use Psyches or some sort of technique to help yourself awakening. As a result of deep awakenings into love your love will deepen naturally, and compassion will flow out of you effortlessly.

This is probably one of if not Leo's best video yet, going over how Self Love is the root solution to the majority if not all problems we as humans face n an individual and collective level. He is not saying it in some kind of hippie way that then means you no longer become practical about your problems and find the solutions to them. No, instead he is saying first realize the issue is caused in most cases by a lack of self love at the deepest level no matter the issue, and when you expand your sense of self and deepen your love it will help you understand and solve these problems. However, he isn't saying don't go and get into the practical side of things and take the action you require. Let's take diet and health as an example, expanding your sense of love would mean you want to treat your body with the utmost respect and by doing that you would realize to love your body and meet it's nutritional needs. Of course just saying I love my body and continuing to eat McDonalds 3 times a day isn't going to cut it, instead what he is saying is to expand this love, realize what you need to do to go and fix the problem and then go and fucking do it! This might mean going to read a whole bunch of nutrition books, learning to build a healthier relationship to food, starting a new exercise routine etc etc, but what it stems from is increasing your love and expanding your sense of self to heal the root issue and then on a more 'surface' level doing what is practical and taking the required action. This is a very deep topic so I thought showing how it is actually practical to everyday life and of course on a collective level would help show how awakening and enlightenment can actually be used to facilitate change in others areas of life in positive ways, and also show that just because you awaken does not instantly mean your life will be perfect in all areas, a great video of Leo's to understand this is this one. This video goes into detail how each sub field can have specific techniques and teachings that help you with whatever issues you face, for example there is different strategies for overcoming OCD compared to depression etc, but at their roots increasing Self-Love will deal with the systemic causes and then the surface level techniques and teachings will help you fully overcome the issues. I hope I made sense but I just thought it was a good idea to clear this up and stop people being half-hearted with the whole Self-Love, and to prevent spiritual bypassing which happens a lot of the time in this sort of work. In summary, increasing Self-Love will help with the root and systemic issues you face in your life and then studying your own unique situation and doing what needs to be done on a practical level whatever that may be while increasing Self-Love will then help you improve your life 10000 fold. Also, we could get a discussion going down below on how Self-Love can practically help you in your own life, and on collective levels as well as what practical steps you need to take to overcome these issues and what practical steps collectively we need to take to overcome these issues that will be a result of increased Self-Love. Thanks for an amazing video Leo, your work is deepening every week and it's great to see!

@TDW1995 Don't feel like listening to music and enjoying yourself is a waste of time man. This is it, this moment is it. Once you get it, you drop all the teachings and practices and go live your life! However if you're currently in the seeking stage and feel like you need effort, I'd recommend before driving calm your mind with deep breaths and getting to a space of natural awareness, allow this awareness to come forward. Then drive and stay in this natural state of pure awareness, it's ALWAYS there as it's what you are, the more you notice it the more it will come forward and become your natural way of being. Then you'll realize how amazing life is

@Surfingthewave Very good point, people on here neglect the importance of foundational PD work due to Leo's recent videos being so deep. Health, Fitness, Emotional Issues, Career, Relationships etc all need to be focused on as well as pure enlightenment work.

Try this 2 step self inquiry method. Who is the one experiencing this...? (Add in an emotion if you have a particular one you feel at that time) Rest and notice the gap. Where is this coming from? Rest again and notice where it arises from. If it is the I-thought it arises from the Heart or from awareness, then rest in the source of everything, which is the absolute. Ramana developed self inquiry as people weren't ready for his silent teachings, the 'goal' is to get you to the ocean of silence and to rest there.

He's talking from an absolute persective as the Self does not judge and allows all, as the Self is literally everything therefore, accepts everything. However, if you open your heart and deepen your love you will not be able to harm others, or will at least minimize this harm. You will become more emotional than ever, for example I teared up at a movie in the UK based on 0 Hour Contracts and how employers are exploiting workers and ruining families and people's lives, you begin to see the injustices in the world more. When you love that deeply, you will merely want to serve and help people, not go out and kill. However, this is a deep facet of awakening, and most may not even talk about love. Charles Manson was considered enlightened by many (Very early stages of no self etc) and look how he acted... Early stage awakened beings can still wreak havoc, however, those who have attained truly deep awakenings are HIGHLY unlikely to act in such ways due to the depth of love they have awakened to, and when you realize EVERYTHING is the Self as are you, you are merely harming yourself, who wants to do that?