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Chat gpt That's a great point to bring up. Even though someone like Peter Ralston may challenge concepts like Qi, it’s true that no one is entirely free from cultural belief systems or biases, including those who advocate for a highly rational, experiential approach. While Ralston might emphasize direct experience and critical inquiry, his approach is still influenced by the philosophical frameworks and cultural context he comes from, whether it's Western rationalism, martial arts, or even Eastern influences that he adapts to fit his worldview. Here are a few thoughts on that: 1. **Western Rationalism and Empiricism**: Ralston’s emphasis on direct experience and questioning assumptions aligns with Western traditions of rationalism and empiricism. These philosophical traditions value observable, testable phenomena and often dismiss concepts that can’t be objectively measured or experienced. Even though Ralston pushes back against common cultural assumptions, his method itself is grounded in a culturally Western approach to understanding truth and reality. 2. **Individualism and Personal Inquiry**: Another aspect of Ralston’s approach is the emphasis on individual experience and self-inquiry, which is a hallmark of many Western philosophies of consciousness. This focus on the individual as the source of truth reflects a cultural belief system, even if it’s not overtly religious or mystical. 3. **Martial Arts and the Eastern Influence**: Although Ralston has trained deeply in Eastern martial arts, his interpretation of them reflects a unique fusion of Eastern and Western thought. His approach is to strip away what he sees as unnecessary cultural or mystical layers (like Qi) to get to the heart of what’s experientially true in martial arts. This process itself is informed by a belief system that privileges simplicity, clarity, and empirical truth—again, very much influenced by his Western intellectual background. 4. **Critique of Cultural Assumptions**: While Ralston critiques traditional ideas like Qi, he may not always recognize how his critique itself is shaped by cultural assumptions. His commitment to "direct experience" is still a perspective shaped by certain beliefs about what is valid or real. He may dismiss the idea of Qi, but that’s a choice grounded in a worldview that values empirical evidence over metaphorical or holistic explanations. So, in essence, no one—including Ralston—is entirely free from the influence of their own cultural belief systems, even if their goal is to question or transcend them. His critique of Qi can be seen as part of a broader philosophical project rooted in his own cultural framework, just as those who embrace Qi are rooted in theirs. This doesn't diminish the value of his insights, but it highlights that even approaches claiming to be purely experiential or free from tradition are still shaped by the cultural and intellectual environments they arise from.

At the end of the day… there is value in Qigong that is real and tangible. Qi, being real…. Can you know Qi is real through a modernist, reductionist, mechanical, realist, lens? Apparently not. I am wondering. Is the idea of vitalism, not worthy? Metabolism. : claude AI The concept of Qi (also spelled Chi or Ki) is an important idea in traditional Chinese culture, medicine, and philosophy. It's often described as a vital energy or life force that flows through all living things. However, whether Qi is "real" in a scientific sense is a matter of debate and interpretation. From a traditional Chinese perspective, Qi is very real and forms the basis for practices like acupuncture, qigong, and various martial arts. In this context, Qi is believed to circulate through the body along specific pathways called meridians, and imbalances or blockages in Qi flow are thought to cause illness. From a modern scientific standpoint, there is no empirical evidence for the existence of Qi as a physical energy that can be measured or quantified using current scientific methods. The effects attributed to Qi in traditional practices have not been conclusively demonstrated in controlled scientific studies. That said, some researchers suggest that the concept of Qi might be a metaphorical or cultural way of describing complex physiological processes that are not yet fully understood by Western medicine. For example, some of the effects attributed to Qi manipulation in acupuncture might be explained through neurological or circulatory mechanisms. It's worth noting that while the specific concept of Qi as an energy force isn't scientifically proven, some practices associated with Qi (like certain forms of meditation or exercise) may have demonstrable health benefits through other mechanisms. Ultimately, whether Qi is "real" depends on one's cultural background, belief system, and the standard of evidence one applies. While it remains an important concept in traditional Chinese thought and practice, it is not recognized as a scientific reality in contemporary Western medicine. — Claude AI initially has a western scientific bias. Backs off? — You raise a valid point, and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. You're right that my initial phrasing could be interpreted as implying that traditional Chinese medical explanations are false, which wasn't my intent. Thank you for this feedback - it's a good reminder to be more careful and neutral in discussing different cultural and medical paradigms. To clarify and provide a more balanced perspective: Traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine are based on different paradigms and ways of understanding the body and health. The concept of Qi is central to traditional Chinese medicine, while Western medicine is based on a different set of principles and empirical observations. When I mentioned "other mechanisms," I was attempting to acknowledge that some practices associated with traditional Chinese medicine have shown beneficial effects in scientific studies, even if those studies don't confirm the existence of Qi as traditionally described. However, this doesn't invalidate the traditional explanations or imply they are false. It would be more accurate to say that Western scientific methods haven't yet found a way to measure or confirm Qi as described in traditional Chinese medicine. This doesn't mean Qi doesn't exist or that traditional explanations are incorrect - it simply means that current Western scientific methods may not be equipped to study or verify it in its traditional conceptualization. Different medical and cultural traditions can coexist, and each may offer valuable insights into health and wellbeing. It's important to approach these different systems with respect and an open mind, recognizing that our current scientific understanding is always evolving.

Hmmm, not steal manning or explaining … perhaps this is even a straw man. Qi is real though. You can feel it. It’s your aliveness. You invent practices to work with and balance the aliveness. From my experience Qigong sequences, greatly change how people feel. From, stress, tightness, negative emotions. After a practice they feel tranquil, calm, relax, clear minded. This shift in the emotions, feelings, awareness, state, etc are real. This shift to a more balanced, calm cool and relaxed state is akin to the overall goal of homeostasis. This is the result that balanced Qi points to. Qi, is felt clearly throughout the body during the practice. It can be tingling, buzzing in the body, especially the hands and feet. It can be what feels like an electrical field, feeling of megnatism around the body. This feeling can appear very real and obvious during practices when you are “feeling your lower tan tian”. Qi can also feel like, a changing of energy. If you are in a high stress, emotional, have lots of physical energy… a more Yin and relaxed practice can help calm and ground you. So, Ralston shows poor character in this video. He straw mans Qigong, makes it out that people are alcoholics, and addicted to Mac Donald’s without Qigong. Which to me is meant to make the person who would like to practice Qigong feel like an idiot. Qigong should first and foremost be experiencially driven. Qigong is indeed a creation. There are aspects of Qigong such as healing sounds, which feel incredible but I do not know their validity in truth. You can do experiments with different Qigong sequences for example Blue Dragon Vs Swimming Dragon, or Three Treasures Vs 5 Elements Vs Qigong for Fatigue vs Qigong for Spinal Health or Qigong for Healthy Joints or Qigong for morning or Qigong for Night time. Each sequence works the body in a different way which is good for mind body healthy and connection. The experience of Qi is felt throughout the practice. Qi is a nuanced term, and I recommend people try the practice to understand the language used. I suspect that Qigong as a science is about to go through a deep modern renaissance. We have things like Yoga including Pranayama, Krya, Kundalini. We have Shamanic breathwork, meditation, Qigong, Wim Hoff…. These techniques have benefits. Are these things Truth? Do these things make you enlightened? By who, or how have you defined enlightenment because that word is used in many different contexts. Peter Ralston and I disagree on Qigong. This is alright. I am not a staunch defender of Qigong. I love the practice and all the things I’m discovering and I love sharing it with people. The stretches, warm ups, meditations, visualizations, breath work, flows, self massage, etc… it’s a great practice which is worth exploring openly.

I am wondering about this conversation. Hmmm, is this wisdom?

@UnbornTao here

Not normally a country fan but I love this song today haha

@Leo Gura Hello, how are you doing? What makes you drop in?

@UnbornTao Life is suffering kidding

I may start doing this 2 days a week starting April. But just me no crew. I think I could make 250-500 a day

hurruhhhh is right

I am seriously considering starting a window cleaning business . If I get a solid sales skill, knocking door to door selling window cleaning for 250 a house, which isn't bad, today it's on sale for 197 because we cut the transportation costs... hehe. You develop the sales skill by doing it. I've watched guys doing it online and have a general idea. I could sell 2-5 houses a day. The start up costs and procurement of tools costs next to nothing to get started. I could get a couple friends and pay them 20 dollars an hour for the day. Or, even make a post somewhere looking for a guy on the weekends. Train him and make sure he knows how to clean the houses properly. I sell each house for 200 a clean Take home the rest. The two guys costs a total of 320.....: 200* 6 = $1200 - 320 = 880. I can take home, not minus maintenance, gas, the price of soap, roughly 880 dollars that day. I think this is an interesting idea. I can start whenever after I finish tree planting. There is even a government program I am looking at to support me build it... hmmm I am considering starting with just me and a friend to clean the windows. He would act as support and motivation. The windows are cleaned that day. I did research and you can do this year round. This could be how I escape wage slavery. I then begin hiring and teaching direct sales people to work as a crew boss for small crews. Pay the bosses a decent fat commission pushes them but still pays me well and I have to do nothing but what I want.

That’s like, your opinion man.

All this post modernism has given two of my favourite songs deeper meaning…

Does a racing madman know a racing madman? Does a rationalist know a raving madman Does a rationalist know a rationalist? Does a raving madman know a rationalist? These are the questions people these are the questions

@Leo Gura this madman has a PHD in post modernism

@Leo Gura only useful for raving madman on the corner

Man, imagine being that self entitled

Ego death is a common occurance in the use of psychedelics and mature users do experience, and handle this situation well.

Terrible Graphic. This is more how Postmodernism looks to premodern and modern thinkers.