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@axiom hmm, you know that for sure?

@Carl-Richard I agree. Well, to your first point. Historically though all spiritual schools have put down other spiritual schools. Other schools aren’t God Realized. People need to learn about the different awakenings and attainments and pros and cons of different spiritual technologies. You can only do that by exploring and learning with an open mind.

Oh you want to call what you think is spirituality spirituality that’s cool When you say something information dense, and when you admit there’s lots of overlap. You don’t need to be a jerk to people trying to understand or disagreeing with you. You are like, borderline gaslighting me this whole time. This is a nuanced space.

@Carl-Richard idk. I’ve read it, and I’m rereading it and trying to make sense of you. Please be kind. You want spirituality to be categorically distinct from psyhconautica? You say that at the end. So, what’s your point? Do you even know? Because, your saying to me seems to contradict your final point. They aren’t categorically distinct. Different teachers teaching different spiritual technologies, who carry a lot of overlap. “Seeking the sacred” isn’t even what I would call spirituality. That’s like a single strain. Spirituality is a broad term. I will provide what I think is a better definition.

@Carl-Richard I’ll get there brb

@Carl-Richard I get that, and that’s YOUR categorization. Not mine.

@DocWatts I just think it’s too simplistic . Leo and Martin both talk about broader things in their writings/ talks. Though, it’s fair as well. For me, both those things, psychonauts and spirituality fall under spirituality. Defining spirituality as “a search for the sacred”… is kinda what the psychonaut is doing. I think there are better definitions of spirituality out there I’ll share in future. I still need to read and re read his opening post.

Meditate and don’t us AI for art!!!

It’s funny I’ve read books now on Taoist and Buddhist Qigong. Energetic Inner cultivation/ cultivation of mind is a thing. Apparently the sitting meditation formed because of the difficulties of communicating The moving practices. So, even though sitting can get you far off you don’t also do moving Qigong you are vastly limited. Mix sex, psychedelics, herbs into that and your on a whole other level. All these things very contested their entire history. Get used to it.

@Leo Gura No names plz

Will reread opening post

This has always been something I struggled with. I've realized and been contemplating how: 1. Reality is my own mind 2. God's Will and my will are the same (yet I only have a finite aspect of the universe) Yet, what I don't quite get is... How can I be as foolish as I am? How can I struggle with all the things I struggle with in life? Then, seeing as reality is so complex, I have the struggles and problems that I do... How do I get my life to reflect the intelligence of God? This, is the aligning ourselves with the Tao. I really am just beginning my contemplation here. Haven't even finished Leo's video on balance. I do regards myself as a fool. Though, I believe in myself that over the next 10-20 years I can become wise, balanced and stand tall upon the slippery earth. Sometimes I get the hunch... sure I, this dream should be the highest pinnicle in the universe. Surely, I must be the highest balance, the luckiest luck, the greatest life imaginable. But, idk. Clearly nothing is random. But, how do I reconcile my own stupidity with being part of the highest intelligence? In my current state. I don't really understand. I will continue to contemplate and learn over the years.

Well, I am not drawing a line in the sand and I consider them tools in the same tool box. Mr. sassy pants ? I read what you wrote just not your mind. Your stance seems a little flakey or unclear. For me, all the teachers and teachings are like tasty fruits on vines and I’m just plucking and sucking

@bambi why is that the most important part? What happens after you eat dinner? Why are you still eating the next day.

There’s scientific evidence that shows mushrooms trips cure depression for like 3-6 months after just one good trip.

not really sure I understood what you mean. These don’t seem like different things to me personally. @Carl-Richard Yeah, idk man. Your saying things and I’m interpreting them and you seem not really in or out. I don’t understand what your trying to say.

Did he say this? This seems like a misinterpretation given my understanding of his work as a whole. These things aren’t mutually exclusive. Honestly overall Leo seems to stress balance in your spiritual / personal growth practice. Balance. Living the Good Life.

Also I did a mushroom trip 4 months ago that permanently cured my depression. Totally permanently changed the way I saw myself. That combined with other practices. State doesn’t equal growth but experiencing these states can be part of your toolbox towards growth.

@Carl-Richard I’d say that’s true. Who isn’t? It’s also false from Gods perspective. There are states where you realize growth is imaginary. There’s no difference between sadhguru and a wasp. It’s not a true true for a false false but has layers and lines and lenses and contexts

@Carl-Richard Seemed like you were saying a little more than that.

@Carl-Richard Well… Theres a seminar on X theres a meditation retreat Yoga retreat contemplation retreat psychedeic retreat There are simply different types of spiritual tools and practices. Imo

@Carl-Richard lol, uhh looking up bridging heaven by Rak Rassam. Theres plenty of spiritual retreats utilizing psychs…

Why?

@Breakingthewall Good points. I want to break free to the point where I’m earning decent money doing my own thing. Life purpose whatever

@Leo Gura Thanks, I noted you talk about that near the end. Thanks for another great video ol boy. Felt like the audio book version of The Tao Te Ching jk