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I watched until one of the musicians had an emotional breakdown and cried like a baby. I felt deep emotions because the topic of this song is very "deep", normal humans don't think about it. If they do, it is short-lived because they can't handle it. The melody of the song is also beautiful. So, it's a powerful song, surely better than all or almost all popular songs. The core concept of the song is whether life is predetermined or not (we create our life via free will). Based on my realizations (I am sure about this), both are true. You are just playing the role which God has given to you. But it's also true that you are free to choose paths or to create your life however you want. The only question is "Which is the bigger truth?". And the answer is the below quote. You got me with the Hangul (korean letters). At this point of my life, I am most interested in South Korea. This is mostly intuition. But I am also aware of my selfish (but also spiritual) reasons why I want to go there.

I just did my spiriutal walk. It refreshed my soul just like before. I also had that realization a few years ago that the present is all which exists. But I was not horrified by it. I think another reason why it was horrifying to you was your age (13). During my spiritual walk, I realized a major reason why I was completely horrified by my "I am in a dream" awakening was my age. I was only 7 when I experienced I was in a dream, alone, and everything and everybody are pretending to be real. That was Solipsism which horrifies most adults in this forum. Yet I experienced it when I was only 7. If I had experienced it now as an adult, I wouldn't have had the same reaction. So timing is very important, just like everything else in life. I don't know what exactly spiritual awakening is. When I realized death is unavoidable, and that it renders life empty and pointless, my soul was crushed. Things have never been the same since then. So, was it a spiritual awakening? Who defines what a spiritual awakening is? And when I realized that everything is predetermined, that is, your own thoughts and actions are not yours, but are the Source's or God's, that in the end, you are just playing the role God has given you, I was completely horrified. Because it means you are at God's mercy. And if you look at the amount of suffering and horror in the world, it is clear that God has no problem inflicting suffering on its creatures. Things have never been the same since then. Was it also a spiritual awakening?

I take my spiritual walks in cities, suburbs, countryside, and mountains (where I am the only human walking or sitting there). It is a spiritual walk as long as there are significant number of trees or grasses, and few humans. This sounds like what Sadhguru explained about what happened in his awakening when he was 15. But he gave the impression that it was a very powerful experience. From time to time, I decide to stop walking and just sit in nature. After sitting there for a while (in complete seclusion), I lose sense of my body, only my awareness remains. This doesn't happen every time, just from time to time. I am not sure whether this is a spiritual awakening. It doesn't feel as powerful and as reality-shattering as the "I am in a dream" awakening. I need to log out so I can take my spiritual walk for today ?.

I am not sure whether what you realized was a spiritual awakening. Why do you think so? And why were you horrified by it? This is unfortunately true. It's strange for a kid to be fascinated by space ?. But that is nonetheless interesting. I am curious about the clue. Could you explain what that is? This. -No separation. No partitions. When I am in paradise (I still experience this as an adult), I am aware of the boundaries between me and the trees, cicadas, flowers, grasses, etc. But I feel I am ONE with them or mystically connected to them. This mystical feeling arises instantaneously. No need to meditate first. It is a beautiful, spiritual feeling. I wonder whether there is a term for it in spirituality. Here's one of my spiritual walks in winter (I also take my spiritual walks in spring, summer, and autumn). I recommend you watch it at 720p or 1080p. https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArRczozlKBxyugRZxooKIxB1Kkw5

@cetus Yes, that's sensible. Thanks for the reminder.

@cetus It is both a thought and an insight. But I see your point.

I never thought there was more to Mark Twain than being an atheist. I'll read more of his books in the future.

I don't think it is correct to label "Jumping from the bridge to end your human existence and awaken from the imaginary dream of life" as stupid. If doing that really awakens you and be with God, it means it is valid. Sadhguru even recommended to his followers to go to a forest, and sit under a tree until they die of hunger as an alternative to MahaSamadhi. He knows most of his followers can't attain MahaSamadhi, so he recommended the alternative as a valid way to awaken from the dream. He did not encourage it. But at least he recommended it (as something valid) if his followers really want to have the "ultimate awakening". The claim everything in the material world (children, wife, friends, Leo, etc.) is imaginary also solidifies suicide as valid. The only mistake Sunny committed was he did it not because he was conscious or experienced it to be true, but he just believed it to be true. He might had suffered in a serious but hidden way. And the claim death is awakening from the imaginary dream world and union with God or Infinite Love sounds very beautiful, he was tempted to jump from the bridge as a form of spiritual bypassing. Suppose these crazy but beautiful claims are true, and murdering yourself (suicide) takes you there. I don't think that is the way to go. It is valid (not stupid), but not the best. That is what needs to be clarified. And that is what should Leo have clarified 2 or 3 years ago. I just saw his most recent video. And finally, he clarified it is best NOT TO SKIP LIFE via suicide because life is supposed to be mastered and enjoyed. That mastery and enjoyment of life despite its difficulties and challenges is a serious form of spirituality. This form of clarification is a better safeguard than disclaimers because clarifications in the videos are more impactful. I think Leo also needs to clarify whether he is still pursuing his ultimate purpose which is Liberation (the one he posted on his blog in 2019). If he is still going at it, he needs to clarify what exactly it means. Does it mean to be like Jesus? As in going out there, teaching and selflessly helping people, curing them from diseases, and feeding the hungry? Or does it mean being liberated but just continuing teaching on YouTube (which is what he has been doing)? I also notice Leo responds to posts with low to average quality as long as he perceives doing so is safe. And he doesn't respond to high quality posts if he perceives doing so is threatening. This behavior is repulsive. @Scholar's posts surely have some "substance" which are worth pondering. But Leo rarely replies to them (if he even does). It seems Leo is threatened by people who have intelligence and wisdom, but don't kiss his ass. This is a big weakness (and repulsive). I hope @Leo Gura will embody strength, bravery, integrity, and compassion in the future.

My pleasure. I just did what I needed to do.

@Muhammad Jawad Thanks for letting us know about his death. I hope death is heaven for him. How do you feel by the way? If you really are very close to him, you must be feeling very dark and heavy (serious depression). Especially if you are already experiencing other existential and spiritual crisis. I recommend to "consciously" grieve. Feel that dark, heavy "hole" located inside your chest or stomach. Don't repress it by working too much, drinking coffee, getting high on drugs, etc. to forget it all. If you do so, there's a big chance it will murder your body. I know this via intuition and observation. I have heard of these stories a few times. But I can cite an example of a former colleague who lost his sister to dengue. He said he experienced too much pain, he repressed it by always working and drinking coffee. After about a week, he suddenly collapsed and experienced NDE. According to him, he lost control or sense of his entire body and he knew he was going to die. He started to cry then suddenly saw flashes of memories (from childhood to the point of collapsing). He cried even more and got completely horrified of his impending death. But a miracle happened, he survived. If the pain located inside your chest or stomach becomes too intense and unbearable, touch your chest or stomach then massage it in a circular motion. Deeply feel the pain then have the intention of easing it via the circular massage. You can adjust the circumference of the circular motion depending on the size of the pain located inside your chest or stomach. It magically works and eases the pain. That is at least true to me. It might also be true to you. So, try it. But the pain comes and goes and intensifies from to time. Endure the grieving process until you feel better. It is important to endure the pain and not give up on life even if you feel like it. It's also important to refresh your soul and do something you love. For me, taking long walks in nature while contemplating about life and admiring the beauty I see always refreshes my soul. I also feel my connection to the Source during these long walks. Doing that might also help you. In the end, you are alone in your spiritual journey. You can ask others for answers but they will never be satisfying. You will only be satisfied when you derive the answers yourself. Be self-responsible and self-reliant.

You are wrestling with yourself. And you are gaslighting yourself, me, and others here. Stop it. Don't waste our time, especially in this time of grieving and suffering.

Your analysis is off. You can be compassionate by being direct and blunt. But being arrogant and a bully is not being compassionate. Your coach bullied you, and now you are bullying others. You are just a typical bully (but self-deceived). Show some respect to Sunny and his family. Contemplate and be careful before opening your mouth.

The messages between you and him are so ironic and haunting. @Preety_India Yes, that is why his death devastates me. If he hadn't sent me this message, I wouldn't have been as affected. My heart is wounded right now. I hope death really is heaven for him.

@SoonHei He sent me a message once. I hadn't talked to him and didn't know him but he was compassionate and positive in his message. So, the good things you said about your brother must be true. I feel very sad about what happened to him. I wish he had chosen a different decision or place. Continue grieving, but from time to time, remember he is at least free from any form of suffering now and can't be harmed in any way. And that the best thing you can do is to finally overcome the grief. That is probably what he wants for you and the rest of his family. To Leo and forum members here: Making crazy claims but can't back it up with actions have already done much harm. If you had walked more and talked less, you would have been more careful in your talks. You would have changed your claims from "Life and Death are imaginary. Don;t worry about it. Look at me, I don't". "You are God and Only you exist, your family and friends don't. SO don't worry about it. Look at me, I don't." to "Life and Death are real. And so is pain. So be careful. But when you get to a point where your consciousness gets so elevated, you see Life, Death, Family, and Friends as imaginary, still be careful. Because imagination is also real." Most humans are easily persuaded by "authority" figures. So, they tend to believe things, no matter how outlandish and absurd they are. My speculation is Sunny believed he could finally awaken from the "imaginary dream" of life after jumping from the bridge. It was a dogmatic belief, no skepticism and no experience of "awakening" or "God-realization". I also speculate there have been many followers of Leo (vulnerable ones) who have been harmed directly or indirectly via his teachings. But we never heard of them because nobody reported.

Is this demonstrable? Like raising the dead back to life, manifesting fish and bread via imagination or willpower, turning water into wine, or healing your SIBO via imagination or willpower? I hope it is demonstrable. I would be happy if you provide the answer via telepathy.

Somebody finally detonated a truth bomb. But the explosion will be a waste of energy, time, and intelligence if there is no introspection, self-honesty, and bravery.

@TheSomeBody It fucks my mind how you and other people here are focused on the wrong things (Leo being impolite, rude or arrogant). That shit is trivial as fuck it doesn't even matter what caused him to act that way and what the results are on his work (but I know the results are good). I will reveal again what the only real problem with Leo is. And you people should focus on it (but not obsessively). It is his inability to walk his biggest talks. This problem or weakness is very serious because it does tremendous harm on his followers (and on the world). It also propagates tremendous devilry. I know Leo knows what I'm talking about deep in his heart. But the good thing is he is working on it. That's the reason he uploaded the "What is integrity?" video. And that's the reason he delayed uploading part 2 (to do more inner work).

@Bojan V Thanks! ?

@Bojan V @blackchair ? That was a good laugh! I enjoyed it.

You dropped a truth bomb which shattered the spiritual conscious-capitalists' fantasies (self-deception). A display of integrity there.

Followers of Christianity who were deeply threatened by what Jesus said perverted his teachings and tried to frame it in ways to make them less threatening. Don't be distracted by the perversions. And don't be stuck with figuring out what exactly Jesus meant. In the end, the genuine spiritual humans love and prioritize God, Wisdom, Truth, Righteousness, Honesty, Beauty, and Love. All other things such as money, business, sex, fame, etc. are perceived as secondary or even completely worthless. What did Jesus, Rhamana Maharshi, Buddha, Lao Tzu, and other deeply spiritual humans value? So, if you see a person claiming to be very spiritual but clearly demonstrates love and priority for the secondary things, know that they are self-deceived (which also means they deceive others). I am not saying the secondary things have no value or not worth doing. I myself love and do them. But deep in my heart, I know what the most beautiful and important things in life are. And in general, or as a whole, I prioritize them over all other things.

The truth offended you so now you are gaslighting me after gaslighting your own self. You are one of those followers of Jesus who bowed their heads down in disappointment because deep in their hearts, they knew they could not do what Jesus told them to do.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle hole than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." - Jesus "If you really want to follow me, go and sell all your properties and give all the money to the poor. Then follow me." - Jesus A genuine, spiritual person is naturally NOT interested in money. But many try to earn it anyway because they need to.

It is difficult to give you the exact things which might help you because your post is vague. What made your life a living hell? Is it your family situation? Not being attractive to girls? financial problems? childhood trauma? anxiety and depression? Or is it death? If it is death, it is appropriate to feel miserable and in despair. A sane and sensible human contemplates death then realizes death renders life empty and pointless. It doesn't matter what you do and achieve, you will lose them all in death. DO you deeply understand that? Even if God decided to give you everything you want which makes you happy (money, beautiful women, cars, fame, a YouTube channel which is more popular than actualized.org, Nobel prize, people's approval, etc.). In the end, your life is still empty because those things will disappear when you die. Even all memories of your existence will disappear. From your perspective (which all that matters), it feels as if you have never been born. That realization should crush your soul. But just because it is the truth, you don't need to be stuck in that phase. It is important to continue to grow and to be "at peace" with that truth (takes at least a few years). If there are 2 options (a good, fulfilling life and a bad, miserable life) and it doesn't matter what you choose, it is sensible to choose the 1st option. Don't listen to "enlightened" humans when they tell you "There is no death. Don't worry about it.". That must be what they label as spiritual bypassing. Death is obviously real. Where are your great grandparents? How many millions have died and will still die because of the coronavirus pandemic? When was the last time you went to a cemetery? Even if these "enlightened" humans tell you "Everything is imaginary. Don't worry about it.", don't listen to them. But to be honest, I somehow know it by intuition that everything is God's imagination. It's crazy. But even if it's true, it also means everything is real because there are no distinctions to refer to. And you surely feel pain and disappointment in this imagination. If you are living with your family, I recommend you leave your house and live alone (because they are probably toxic and "low conscious"). Be financially and mentally-emotionally self-sufficient to make your life situation sustainable. That is much easier said than done. I am still working on it myself. Regardless of the forces which make your life a living hell, here are things which are generally good and help make life easier.

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