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I love how the word radical gets tossed around like it’s a bad thing. Some things need radical action, example climate, criminal justice reform, housing, etc etc etc. you say sit and finger point about how badly these people are but at least they are doing something with their lives whether you agree with it or not. i understand that there are conservatives on this forum but I wish to understand the cognitive dissonance in your mind with agreeing with actualized.org and Leo’s purpose and then still trying to finger point and play us vs them mentality and being aware of spiral dynamics but still blaming the excess of green like it’s a terrible thing although you know it’s just a reaction to toxic blue orange and a red president, can you imagine a world in which there were no riots after George Floyd or just everyone agreed with trump or any president for that matter democrat or republican, it’s not going to happen dude.

One of their higher ups said he wouldn’t put a touch screen on laptops because they are “fatiguing” lol id get a mac if they had touch screens

Also utilitarianism in the way you presented it sounds great. Because every rule needs exceptions, and there plenty of examples for this but every good rule needs to be upheld as well. Morality is certainly a tricky thing and certainly I think the best morality is unconscious yet conscious at the same time, explicit and implicitly, relatively, right.

I like the concepts. However I feel like there is an intrinsic reason why morality was developed, there is the survival aspect to it but also there is an unconscious bias inside of all beings to maximize love it seems, we may not all agree on what maximizing love is, but through my life experience I feel like “god” has an agenda and it certainly influencesyou from the inside. Morality is based on far more than physical survival mechanics. It can also be based on abstract ideas such as art and ideology and ego. I guess in a sense you could say morality comes out of the physical or psychological need to survive and the ego. But I think there is an intuitive conscious side to it. there is a reason why spiral dynamics seems so accurate and most civilizations follow the same trends. I think “god may have an agenda and is playing it out through us. We have our own little agendas as part of god but ultimately we are maximizing its love not ours. hope that helped

@louhad you’re 100% right. No one just goes into the street and says let’s burn shit down to see society collapse... well maybe they do but it’s so small, and those types of people certainly don’t give a fuck about Bernie or AOCs opinion if they are true anarchist.

I believe leo has stated most of the country is solid orange with blue and green mixed in, there are an extremely low amount of yellow and turquoise people, but certainly the trend is going to towards green. I’d say we’d be lucky to get to solid green in my lifetime(I’m 25). there is a certain wisdom to purple that gets overlooked until green but there are also many problems with purple. I think alternative medicine is growing although I don’t have any facts, maybe a stupid think I observe is way more people have salt lamps which are somewhat alternative medicine because of the vibrations the crystals give out. meditation is also exploding and hopefully it gets added to schools in the western world soon, I would love a mindfulness class in all universities and school. That is the baby steps, will check out the article thanks.

@Bodigger the radical left is so small in the us you shouldn’t even worry about it dawg

@Apparition of Jack trump likely to stupid to be a fascist but those below him aren’t Steve bannon types. trump can’t get another term man I agree

@Opo wouldn’t say he’s progressive on climate change, but he will make concessions in that area or he will never hear the end of it. I have an optimistic feeling that Medicare for all will happen under Biden too. Maybe I’m crazy but he seems like he is already making concessions. Hoping it’s not bullshit though, told the truth about a black woman veep

@Leo Gura I believe there is a silent revolution, and mostly I believe that consciousness is evolving, sure America could fuck up and progressives could lose, but it seems like they have more power and more of a voice these days. Although I’m only 25, I think the green mentality of victim hood is much greater than the red blue orange mentality of oppression and ego power dynamics but it certainly doesn’t help. He need more voices like beau if the fifth column and less like krystal and Kyle, not to say they aren’t politically savvy, they are, but progressives just simply aren’t big enough of a population yet. We just need to win more and certainly down ballot they are doing much better, I think people like AOC types and I think she is really well regarded, that’s kind of what I see as a healthy green politician, people like Vaush, myself, Kyle and krystal are quite young too so maybe it’s the lack of experience we have. We aren’t too cynical. that’s probably the best part of green politically, they can be motivated by fear but usually they are proactively motivated by a improving things rather than destroying or keeping power. politics has been crazy the past four years and really hope after trump is gone that the Overton window is taken to a more compassionate conversation.

@GenuinePerspectiveXC lol you’re the IQ guy.

@Opo well said, also the environment is a huge red flag, hopefully there will be a public option and big environmental policy he concedes. I am happy about most of the cabinet picks I have heard but not a fan of his “handlers” neoliberalism won’t work I’m afraid at least this time it’ll be checked cause I feel like the left didn’t really have a voice with a Obama.

Just in time for the Stage Red Video - maybe this should go in the examples thread. he’s not even trying anymore, he looks very tired.

@Kailash Bhattarai I think AOC is more of a policy genius and has a lot of the same fire as Nina but Nina is more experienced I’d like to see them run together, apparently nina teased running in 2024 I’m for it.

@Forestluv yea that was incredibly obvious to me. I thought maybe in 2019 that it was good that Hillary lost cause it would set the stage for Bernie, but I can’t take another 4 years of chaos, I know my life hasn’t really been personally effected by covid or trumps policies, but I sure as hell want a better life for my fellow humans. electoral politics has probably turned a lot of people off and I’m seeing much much more apathy than last election, however I’m fairly confident that Biden can pull it out just because people really despise 45. i would not like it though if they had no debates, I actually think it would be interesting to watch, to see how out of touch both of them are.

@Kailash Bhattarai maybe in a couple years. What I like about Nina is that she doesn’t take shit from anyone and she wouldn’t call Joe Biden her friend like Bernie, she’s like the brashness of trump with actual political experience and a healthy compassionate attitude and fire.

@Forestluv Who knows? It may not be incremental change, maybe if Biden actually wins people will put a lot of pressure on him since the Overton window of the country is fairly more left than when Obama was in office and Joe has already seemingly been willing to make concessions. honestly I hate that he has even one sexual assault allegation against him but I also realize that morality is completely relative and sometimes the loving thing to do is vote for the best possible choice even though that choice is still problematic. I’m sure I’ll be able to vote for someone like a bernie or an AOC that actually inspires me soon but I definitely empath size with all of the lefties who just cannot vote for Biden. Usually they have pretty high standards which I think is a good thing, I’m very skeptical that the Green Party will ever have a voice in the US and to some extent voting for that is a throw away vote but voting for a Green Party is better than not voting at all, That’s the real problem, it’s not people who vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson it’s people who don’t vote at all

Nina Turner or AOC

A more conscious way would be. If you don’t clean things will get dirty and that is problematic, but ultimately you are responsible for tidying the mess you make, if you don’t want to clean it, fine but don’t expect me as an adult to clean it up for you. and observe the consequences to your actions, if you don’t like them than cleaning is a good solution, If you do, than not cleaning works best for you. Some children are naturally more orderly yea most of it is parents teachings but I think it somewhat natural too, I don’t mind a mess but I prefer things clean as well, I think most children would naturally gravitate towards cleaning things eventually after observation but a lot of children don’t mind a mess, in that sense it is indoctrination because you’re teaching them a behavior that goes against their ability to make a choice and learn from it from their own experience. I’m glad I was raised in the way I stated above, never pressure to do chores but naturally observing the benefits of doing them.

@electroBeam yep there are certainly pros and cons to obedience/rebellion

@hoodrow trillson AI Is brilliant and yes that’s a good idea! Why don’t you make it lol a context AI that sifts through meaningless internet data like a more specialized hive mind instead of a search engine. in the book “law of one” the sixth density being called ra says this is what naturally happens to individual consciousness as we learn more information it starts to merge into one being for more experience. It’s really beautiful, it’s almost like that’s what humans sub consciously want with AI to merge with them.

@Annoynymous nuance nuance nuance. All truths are relative. It’s a possibility that America could collapse but it’s not the only one.

@louhad It really is a good point Leo made, it’s why China’s toxic/healthy blue society is moving so fast, they have one goal and that is increasing their influence, American doesn’t really have a goal, people are much more cynical about the “American dream” than they were in the 50s-80s but don’t forget that people are much more conscious of the real world. I bet 15x George Floyd’s and maybe more happened every day in the 60s and people just see it all. My guess is to start to introduce more healthy spiritual concepts and actualization and have people try to take on the goal of maximizing love in life and government, but it’s a hard sell in Societies which people feel like they can do whatever they want. I think people overlook how homogenous Northern Europe is and why that’s contributed to their success, like I said before they have beat us to green but we will most likely beat them to yellow sense we are way more diverse, could be wrong though. the Overton window is certainly shifting left even though trump is in power. You can just see it, Obama got a lore of hate from republicans but the average person wasn’t so opinionated. The backlash to trump is very evident And is very obvious, obviously dems or at least progressive parties need to start winning elections and money needs to be taken out of politics, that is kind of the thing that will lead to much more progress, I don’t agree with Chris hedges that societies don’t evolve maybe they Inevitably don’t but consciousness does and human consciousness does as well. Don’t forget trump ya base is a solid 30-40% of the country but I doubt it’s growing. hope this helped.

@hoodrow trillson good it’s American Made? Although American spies on people but mostly just it’s citizens haha

However toxic it is to moralize to people about your vegan diet and how you shouldn’t eat meat and use the correct pronouns for a trans person and be inclusive, it’s far more toxic to rape the economy (toxic Orange) Lynch and segregate people create hate groups (toxic blue) and start wars and genocides (toxic red) people need to realize that overreaction is probably better than apathy. An sjw at the worst might threaten your free speech and maybe even the worst like antifa could beat you up being racist, but that’s far less toxic than the excess of orange blue and red and it’s not even close. We won’t see yellow in our life times so we gotta cherish the best we’ve got. we can aim for solid green before we die(In USA) and that would be a great and average world citizen healthy orange. Would be a great accomplishment! people need to get over themselves and realize how far we’ve come.