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I hope this is strictly an exercise in the ability to ask questions and not a genuine interest.

I was gonna make a post about this. I'm amazed how many people on this forum are arguing and espousing these low consciousness behavior and attitudes, especially considering these are people that presumably follow Leo and should be integrating what he's teaching. They are completely enveloped in the duality of male vs female, which is just such a simple and stupid thing to be stressing about. We literally need each other in the world. Both are just stuck in their own perspective and won't even consider peaking over their trench, let alone visiting the other side. People are just at different stages of their personal development journey though. We have to learn to accept and meet them where they're at and be mindful when we try to help them grow through and above those ways of thinking.

Just more low consciousness people, pointing out low consciousness behavior, in other low consciousness people. Playing in the mud makes you a pig too. Facts and logic and graphs and arguments don't make you clean, it's just mean you're covered in a different kind of mud. All this struggle, money, time, and energy going into something that won't last or won't make you happy. Learn to let go of your need for things to be a certain way and just be.

Simple: You're going to have your ticket punched one day. Might as well enjoy it while you're here.

For the fun of it I want to know what stage I am so I have a clear grounding for what resources to acquire and which new teachers to learn from so I don't regress or waste anymore time than I have to (life is short, not looking to skip steps though). However I have a lot of conflicting views on myself that put me all over the map lol; - Over the past few years I've noticed I've made serious progress in shedding my attachment to ideologies and defending any beliefs. I defend or attack almost nothing at this point where as I used to be very argumentative and enjoyed the "being right" and cynical feeling. I am not emotionally involved in any politics or group think. I am also quite clear on my goals in that I actively seek out radically new sources of information and knowledge and do my best to only extract what is useful and disregard what isn't. I love systems thinking and integrating different world views to make me a more effective and well rounded healthy person. Stage Yellow? - I've made an effort to be brutally honest and contemplative all the terrible things I've done in life, and am taking charge of past and previous addictions, while trying to be self-loving through the process. However I still catch myself on my internal radar being self-sabotaging and behaving in egotistical ways that benefit me. Sometimes my thoughts betray me almost like I have some separate jerk inside me who doesn't care what I want. Stage Red & Orange? - I feel my morality, ethics, and attitudes are generally Left/Stage Green leaning. Financially I am generous for a young person with not much money, I've cleaned up my investments to environmentally friendly companies, I make a conscious effort not to spend money on useless material things. I respect nature deeply (if I see a BUG in danger I stop to save it for Christ sake xD). I've cleaned up and optimized my diet to improve my consciousness and health, etc Though I find all this exhausting sometimes to keep up with things I KNOW I value and stand for without backsliding once in a while. Is it even possible to honestly grade yourself on Spiral Dynamics without ego being involved? Are there any good online tests out there that aren't so vague? Or should I just take Leo's word for it that you are always 1-2 stages lower than what you think you are?

Interesting post! You should probably segment it into paragraphs though it's a bit hard on the eyes I've noticed doing a lot of personal development the past year I've woken up and fallen back into sleep a few times (5-10?) in an extremely odd but comfortable feeling of piercing honesty about my life combined with a feeling of limitless power and confidence, but not in a delusional sense at all. It's unlike anything I've ever felt. The best way to describe it is a state of complete non-judgement about myself and the world that feels absolutely freeing and like I've been liberated for the first time in my life............. then I wake up and all my insecurities and issues seem to flood back to layer me back up again lol. I'm guessing this is my subconscious trying to communicate to me that there is some healing and growth going on? I want to access this state again to explore it and would preferably try to carry them into my normal waking state if possible. Do you know any techniques or resources I can use to help me with that? I think I'm also going to do some simple daily reflection exercise in a journal about the dreams I have every night if I can remember them. I know sometimes it might not be useful to make something out of nothing but if it can help me program and understand my subconscious that would be great. I'm glad I'm seeing some change in myself because for as long as I can remember for the past 15 years my dreams have usually been violent, disturbing and uncomfortable nightmares (I'm 27 in a week).

If I have any advice regarding rejections, it's don't take it personally. You have to realize people make yes or no decisions (like going on a date) based on very quick assumptions and the emotions they are feeling at that time. If the interactions or conversations are too short or aren't deep enough, they aren't making informed decision because they don't have enough information. You could be the most awesome, sweet person in the world but it won't matter if they are having a bad day and won't take a compliment, or they are so busy they are stressed and don't they have time but actually a date would be perfect for them and their stress! Maybe that 3 has self-esteem issues and masks them by thinking she deserves a 10 herself, and won't even return a call of someone who isn't a model stud. Is that YOUR problem?????? No, it speaks about HER dude! The best way to get out of stewing in that pool of pain and self-loathing is to simply accept (as @Anna1 said above) that you'll never know exactly what was going through their head. Chances are they don't either most of the time. Consider how limited your energy is, and find out exactly where you want to apply it.

I highly doubt he deliberately won't invite Leo. He probably has no idea who Leo is. Leo is just another Youtuber who isn't even that big and hasn't done any major public interviews or events. Joe probably has a torrent of hundreds and hundreds of potential people to invite and Leo simply isn't high on that list. That said, if Joe had Leo on I have no doubts it would be a fascinating conversation and Joe would love it!

Free will doesn't truly exist, but the very real illusion makes it feel so. My advice? Don't overthink and just enjoy the ride.

I'm sure some of you have heard of Alex Honnold, professional rock-climber and the greatest free soloist of all time (climbing without any gear). Anyways for quite a long time he's served as a huge inspiration for me, and I'm sure he could for many others on here. I wanted to share his life as an example of someone who is fiercely committed to the mastery process and has superhuman levels of dedication to his life purpose. A few years back he accomplished what is likely the most impressive and difficult athletic feat in human history; Free climbed Yosemite's El Capitan (3000 ft) rock face without a rope. There is plenty of footage of it and other climbs he did (which I will link below), it's best summed up in the documentary Free Solo, which I highly recommend. I've seen it twice already and will watch it again I'm sure. It's out on Disney plus and some other platforms I believe. It will make you sweat. There isn't really anything extraordinary about him honestly. He humbly attributes his ability and accomplishments to ridiculous levels of practice, preparation, and passion to his craft. What I also find fascinating is his attitude towards fear. He still feels it like anyone else would. Instead of punching through it or trying to change what he's feeling, he describes his ability to manage it by simply "stepping out of it", which is done by being rigorous with his training and planning until he feels so comfortable that he can put it aside until he's done what he's set out in front of him. Here is an INCREDIBLE video with him reflecting on the climb that was the centre of his life purpose; (It has 360 function, click and drag your mouse around to view his surroundings) I hope his example gives other people on here a kick like it did for me. It's amazing seeing such a quiet, normal, quirky guy just unapologetic-ally throwing himself towards his goals no matter what the risks. He is living EXACTLY the way he wants to and we should do the same!

I hope nothing but the best for his health. I learned quite a bit from him and he told me what I needed to hear at the right time. I've definitely transcended what he has to offer and learned what I can from him, but I hope he gets back to himself so he can go full strength at helping people who were in my position when I needed him.

I know you didn't ask me but I think I can answer your question; Social media/Cellphone/Computer/Internet usage, and addiction to those things in general is the primary contributor, above all in my opinion. Even more than the social and economic climate, which I would argue the former listed technology changed itself. People born in the very late 80's and early 90's all the way up until know have grown up and developed their social cognition and relationship skills in a world that is increasingly taking place digitally. For obvious reasons this can hinder and outright handicap people (and apparently young men especially) in their ability to relate to people meaningfully and be confident in face to face interactions. 1. Social media SMASHES peoples self-esteem and warps their view of themselves and how they should look/behave/etc. It bombards people with constant information about how others are living amazing lives (most of which are highly edited and or outright fake), and how they are not. Everyone's standards are ridiculous and unattainable because of social media. 2. Cellphones are self explanatory. They are amazing communication and utility tools but people are spending WAAAYYY too much time on them. Why talk to someone on the phone when you can text them? It goes without saying, any communication that isn't happening face to face is contorted because of lack of facial expressions/body language to read off of. That's why most young teenagers these days seem autistic. They have literally spent most of their lives using technology to communicate instead of their bodies lol. 3. Computers/Internet. Pretty clear. Why go out and get good with girls when you can just jerk off to the hottest girls you'll ever see for absolutely free with only the click of a few buttons?

I've watched a LOT of this guys videos (and others like him) in the past out of curiosity. He does give some important insight about the reality of modern dating/relationships but it's clear he is extremely biased against women and he, along with his community is engrossed in the incel/red pill/MGTOW movement. He isn't any different than most sexists, the only thing he does different is he makes the information easier to be consumed and manipulated by, by masquerading behind an image of being a "chill" regular guy. And proving some anecdotal evidence and a graph here or there. In reality he just cherry-picks and teaches the small grains of ugly truths he finds about women and then goes out to interview pretty looking dumb girls to verify his own opinions. Or the other order, result is the same. If he helps you that's great but don't rely on these people as your only source for relationship advice and worldview, go out there and interact with real people and make real connections. One thing I've noticed about these guys and these communities is that they are all generally low-consciousness people, pointing out flaws in other low-consciousness people. Their motives and desires are usually juvenile and selfish, even if they tell you otherwise. They want their cake and to eat it too, and if they don't get it well.............. All Women Are Like That.......... I also find it pretty hilarious the desperate and sad men that have COMPLETELY bought into all this stuff. They literally blame half the species for all their problems, talk about projection LOL!!

I've watched a LOT of this guys videos (and others like him) in the past out of curiosity. He does give some important insight about the reality of modern dating/relationships but it's clear he is extremely biased against women and he, along with his community is engrossed in the incel/red pill/MGTOW movement. He isn't any different than most sexists, the only thing he does different is he makes the information easier to be consumed and manipulated by, by masquerading behind an image of being a "chill" regular guy. And proving some anecdotal evidence and a graph here or there. In reality he just cherry-picks and teaches the small grains of ugly truths he finds about women and then goes out to interview pretty looking dumb girls to verify his own opinions. Or the other order, result is the same. If he helps you that's great but don't rely on these people as your only source for relationship advice and worldview, go out there and interact with real people and make real connections. One thing I've noticed about these guys and these communities is that they are all generally low-consciousness people, pointing out flaws in other low-consciousness people. Their motives and desires are usually juvenile and selfish, even if they tell you otherwise. They want their cake and to eat it too, and if they don't get it well.............. All Women Are Like That.......... I also find it pretty hilarious the desperate and sad men that have COMPLETELY bought into all this stuff. They literally blame half the species for all their problems, talk about projection LOL!!

Oh yea? What do you think about Alex? What has your climbing journey been like? I haven't done much myself, went when I was younger a bit and recently once or twice to an indoor gym. REALLY hard to find good climbing around here (I'm in Northern Ontario). Girlfriend and I are moving out to Vancouver Island by the end of the year though so there will be plenty of mountains and climbing opportunities in the future!

Likely because you're comfortable and more in tune with your body than most.

This is a good point and isn't brought up often enough in the Actualized community - Spiral Dynamics is such a beautiful model that explains so much, but there seems to be a massive temptation to retreat to the trenches of simplicity by stating, "oh that's stage red this! Oh that person is stage orange going green because of this!" ...... instead of thinking critically and even attempting to generate a more encompassing explanation. Leo himself is quite guilty of this if you look closely, you'll hear him simply utter only stages somewhat frequently in his videos so passively like it somehow explains everything you need to know about a topic in two words. Don't get me wrong spiral dynamics is awesome, but it's like less than 1% of all the models and content you could use to explain things.

Nobody find this mind blowing? Whoa, I need to raise my standards I guess lol.

There is a lesson to be gleamed from this................ can you guess what it is?!?!? Leo is.................... human! He is not some ultimate enlightened god. Stop treating him like a deity that doesn't have flaws or can't make mistakes (look at how short tempered he got with that amazon guy in his recent video , not exactly sage like eh?). If anybody is idolizing him then they haven't really learned anything from him. It's quite easy to separate the fans from the actual students just by reading comments on his videos or here. Let's be real he is a very cool, helpful, and intelligent guy, I've improved my life immensely from his work, but he is not a messiah and he is not the only person out there in this world of 7 billion people that you can learn from. He should be one many in a SEA of teachers. Don't take him or anybody too seriously.

On the master values list in the Life Purpose Course, there is a value called "Society/Culture/State/Country". However it isn't designated as a negative value like some others? I find this surprising considering how many videos you've made on the subject where you elaborate on deep criticism and skepticism on them. Is this an oversight? Did your opinion simply change on these things over time? I'm just curious. Mods feel free to delete this post if you feel it violates the privacy on the content of his product, that isn't my intention I just am genuinely interested in this after I noticed it.

Well it's likely they will misconstrue some of the things you say to them no matter how well you explain it, if they are actually stage blue/orange as you say. On the other hand if they seem open-minded and friendly, why not? Just don't get into the trap of arguing. That negative experience might turn them off from the material in the future. In my opinion there is nothing really wrong with being exposed to stuff that is extremely advanced compared to your position on the spiral. As long as it'sf in a safe, educational setting. I do it all the time personally. I love searching out radical concepts and teachings that I have NO idea how to integrate or fully grasp at the moment. It helps satisfy my curiosity and gives me something to work towards!

Let's evaporate your fear and worry by thinking about this rationally for a second. Hundreds of thousands of people die every day around the world from things we deem "acceptable" but are almost completely avoidable; - Alcohol poisoning - Lung related illnesses from smoking - Car accidents - Smog - Heart related illnesses from poor diet etc. You see the point? You can't reasonably worry about an obscure virus that has barely killed 100 people after a few months, when like most people you don't even give a fuck about the SWATHES of people that die all the time from completely avoidable activities. It's just silly lol.

Do NOT do pick-up. Instead of working on the appendages of self-improvement under the sexist lens of pick up - Go and work out just for the sake of improving your physical health, which will naturally improve your confidence in your own skin. Go find hobbies or sports simply to have fun and possibly meet some new friends. Go to networking events and parties with friends that you already have to work on your social skills and genuinely have social interactions without the anticipation or expectation of some juvenile reward. You will make organic and likely intimate connections (if pursued) with women simply as a by-product of being a radiant, well-intentioned person that is secure and doesn't need their relationships to be a transaction. Doing pick-up can be dangerous, it not only can change you to have an unhealthy warped view of women. You can seriously hurt a women's feelings and give them hostile attitudes towards men. You see if you're out trying to "practice" and trying to fuck women in one night stands, that might be great for your numbers and confidence and whatever goals you set for yourself as a PUA, but it can be terrible for the women. Not to mention annoying. You see they are highly emotional creatures and sex can mean something entirely different for them. For men it's a mechanical, physical, pleasure process (most of the time), for them it's an emotional pleasure process. If you don't explicitly state your intentions and then sleep with them only to ditch them the next day (which a LOT of guys do, that's the manipulative part of pick-up), they very might subconsciously become connected to you and expect a relationship because of great sex and fun night you had. That can really hurt a person and it's just a scummy thing to do. You might say "oh well that's their fault for not understanding the situation. You can't blame them entirely, it's IN THEIR NATURE to make that connection, and that nature will can even override what THEY think they want. You'll have to ask yourself, are those the kind of relationship creating and initial bonding experiences you want under your belt for when you go looking for a long time partner? Probably not. It might be fun in the mean time but it is not a high consciousness activity. It is desperate and childish. It's hilarious to me actually. Pick-up and game are something you think would stay relegated to desperate and horny teenage boys who are trying to out do each other so they can brag they banged the hottest girl at school. Yet it persists and carries on for men well into their 20's and 30's........... LOL????? I guess you can blame our culture for that mostly, nobody is taking serious responsibility for teach young people how to make genuine connections anymore. Anyways dude, just don't feed the cycle that is eroding our social climate (no wonder divorce rates are so high). Things you develop in pick-up can be worked on in alternative ways without juvenile intentions.

My understanding is that if God is perfect and infinite (as described by Leo), it includes all possible "finities" in it as well - hence the "expansion" you brought up. You might be asking your questions with the wrong assumptions in mind. Nothing "has" to happen. Everything just is the way it is. It doesn't have to be one way, or the other, or another way, or even the way it is. It just IS. Also, yes Leo was coming down from drugs in the latest video.

Another painful reminder of how fragile one's existence is, and how sudden and impersonal death can be. His determination, work ethic, and mental resilience will always provide great inspiration for me.