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  1. @Waken yes Just give love to myself when there is a thought and allow myself to react as i really want (do nothing about it).

    And yes you are right, the debate with the thought will never succeed. 

    In private i mean questions not so about ocd but about self love because i see you have a lot of experience with that. If i will have question and if its ok.

    What you wrote really helps.

    On 27.8.2021 at 6:03 AM, The0Self said:

    Metta, after getting pretty good and steady with it — though it may start out slow, it builds tremendously.

    I would like to hear an example of that. 

  2. @Waken thank you very much!! I will need to read couple of times more what you wrote and i will want to message you in private after I will process it again. The example you gave about the anger is great and really connected dots for me here.

    My new CBT therapist, who is specialized specifically on OCD, said to me this week that I have to show the ocd that he cannot treaten me, and that sometimes you have to put him borders and say him like "i dont want to hear you. go away from my eyes".

    it sounds to me like condradicting the "being in harmony with all the parts of ourselves" But i dont know 🤷‍♂️

    Also I had another breakthrough this week when I just said to the thought " Its totally fine that I have this thought and i dont have to do nothing about it. It can be here and I allow myself to feel it and its absolutely fine" with love to myself in the situation in LIVE (not stories about the child but just to support myself right now) and then I felt a huge improvement and it lasts and feel great again and again to say that.

  3. On 13.8.2021 at 1:56 PM, Waken said:

    and then you have an image of how you should treat yourself, while actually if you feel, you may notice that that is actually not how you want to be treated (also not by yourself) at that moment.

    Do you mean that (for example) I think I want to imagine myself as a child and hug myself, but in reality this isn't freeing me up and therefore, at least in that specific moment, its not really what I need?

    On 13.8.2021 at 1:56 PM, Waken said:

    which seems to me is more about the feeling of the thought than it's really about the content of the thought

    So tricky😆 

    The mind will want to do a formula of thinking about something he wants will work every time (as the example above with the child?) but the right thing to do is always changing its content, and the structure is more permanent. That's what you meant?

  4. On 8/7/2021 at 5:42 PM, Thought Art said:

    Lol, I edited the wrong thread.

    I hope the rest of the message was for me ;)


    On 8/7/2021 at 9:51 AM, Goldzilla said:

    It is literallly the real worship of God

    By that you mean to trust myself in a deeper way that I know what I'm doing and something like that?


    On 8/7/2021 at 9:57 AM, Esilda said:


    This is so beautiful to hear, this is what we need to do. With a loving embrace go into our past and console the parts of ourselves that didn't receive the love we truly needed.

    Wrap your arms around all of those thoughts with love. :)

    thanks! its not working as I hoped to, but now I think I need to do it in a more subtle way, and not to push it to happen.


    On 8/8/2021 at 1:58 AM, WelcometoReality said:

    @Nivsch It's all about meeting those uncomfortable feelings. Sit with them, be with them until they dissolve. Let go of the need to do something about them.

    Unfortunately this doesn't help me at all, unless I do it in an organized way, with a clock, for 15 minutes straight every day. but still not enough.


    @Raptorsin7 Thanks I want to do it but I cant in the next few years because I will still have to taper my AD.


    On 8/9/2021 at 0:46 PM, tsuki said:

    Love is not some poetic, imaginative thing that you do once per week with a diary.

    Thanks about that. It helped me to understand it better. I hope the anxiety will weaken in time as I think it has to in the long term if I do it correctly.

  5. On 13.8.2021 at 9:31 AM, Hulk said:

    @Guillem12 Leo is high conscious only when he uses psychedelic, which is artificial drug. 

    This is only right for the state but not the stage which is more permanent.

    But i have another question:

    If psychedelics are artificial just like ssri drugs (for example) how can we trust them?

    I don't trust the ignorant people who make those psychedelics on laboratory. They are just like any scientist.

    Or, maybe psychedelics are mainly natural substances and only going through a relatively tiny artificial process. 

    I dont know, I am asking.

  6. @Waken Yesterday I had a breakthrough when I felt high anxiety about the ocd thoughts, and about the fact that the self-love doesn't help.

    But then I had a new thought that said:

    "You don't have to do self-love, you don't have to do nothing! And then when I don't obligate myself to do it, this is the real self-acceptance and self-love."

    That was a huge relief.

    And then the anxiety melted away. it still here but less as I feel I have learned something new and very significant.

  7. @Waken Do you think that because I wanted too badly to feel the love in order to remove the fear, so it hasn't worked because it was too shallow and didnt came from a deep systemic place?

    Also I think right now that maybe the dramatic love scenes for my inner child can be too emotionally and too different from the regular state, and therefore can backfire and do more anxiety rather than less.

  8. 34 minutes ago, tsuki said:

    @Nivsch You will be anxious and will have OCD and it isn't going anywhere. Ever. Your job is to manage it by being conscious of the fragile child that is there with you and doing the absolute best you can to give it everything it needs.

    If the anxiety and ocd won't get weaker and weaker over time, so why we do all that? 

    They have to.

  9. @ted73104 probably the OCD has its sneaky stractural mechanics which take the thoughts and even the doing of self love as its hostage. What forces you to even deepen the self love to a point it can go outside this sneaky mechanism. Or something like that.

    I have learnd the mechanics of ocd but probably have more to learn and I started meeting with a new ocd specialist who is not ERP but rather think we have to come from a deeper place of restoring our own original position on the anxiety issues (and not the ocd perspective). Tommorow the 2nd meeting with him.

    I will respond more later.

  10. I just felt my image of the child I was who was relatively alone and not playing with the other kids and was unpopular.

    I Didn't try to compensate with thinking about social connections I did afterwards, during the more recent years (in my 20's).

    I just accepted him fully and saw the beauty of him unconditionally, and It really(!) succeeded. I really felt the love. Not just thoughts, but actually felt.

    But the anxiety still remain, and I still feel something bad will happen to me in the future. One on the forms of the fear is the fear of flying, and I have obsessive thoughts on that. I know the chance to crush is one in millions, but I FEEL something bad will happen when I am imagining it. The thoughts don't leave me.

    I know the OCD sits on self-esteem but the practice I just did with the self-love that succeded - didn't help now. sometimes it helps, now not and its a bit frustrating.

    I do mindfulness practices, I did heavy metal checking (results next week) and I don't know else what to do.

    If someone here has more suggestions I will thank him.


  11. I find myself in arguments with family when I try to explain how psychiatry - because of my personal process of reducing the drug - and other domains in western health treats our health in a simplified way I cannot agree with.

    Also I tried to say how our body is smart and can do amazing things to repair itself, under a correct lifestyle, and sometimes I feel that maybe they don't understand it. Maybe they do, but they didn't respond to that and for sure weren't merely as passionate as I am when I said that.

    Responses I get:

    1. "The brain doesn't strive to maintain homeostasis. You give it too much credit" (in refering to the tolerance i said the brain developed to drugs).

    2. "We can't rely on nature. In nature people lived only until age of 40yo".

    3. "You dont believe in science and you are arrogant."

    4. "You think you know the best. Better than psychiatrists and better than people who that is their proffession."

    Also an elephant can be triggered by these responses.

    My questions are:

    1. What (the hell is) the emotion they feel inside, which makes them defend the western attitude all the time?

    What they feel inside that makes them not want to rely mainly on nature/on themselves but rather put their trust mainly on doctors? I really want to understand the emotion of the other side better.

    2. How can I go meta in those arguments and let go of my attachment to the "natural self care" agenda, and make the conversation more constractive to both sides?

    I feel emotionally very attached to my view that it feels to me very difficult to really go meta here.

    Just to say that I know that western attitude can save lives in acute cases and it has its valid in this kind of things. Also I know that the body can't correct itself in every case.

    I still think my view is much better and more true than their, but i want to bridge between me and them and make them understand me better, and to understand them more.

  12. 2 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

    Drugs name is Praxet,Arpizol and Kiviprid

    Ok you have to reduce only one drug at a time. The first drug to reduce has to be the accelerator one (paxxet) to make the sedative ones (ariprizol, kiviprid) to function as a buffer from the withdrawal symptoms from paxxet.

    Start with it, But not without guidance from the site open a user there its an exellent site.

    Also try to do it with a doctor.

    BUT - in every collision between the reduction phase the doctor will offer and the phase the site will offer (max 10% for every 4 weeks) you must choose the slower one.

    Also know that nutrition is a crucial ingredient in the succes if the process and for that I recommend you the site "the withdrawal project" and the chapter "the role of nutrition during psychiatric drugs withdrawal".


  13. @Rishabh R You have to reduce no more than 10% of the drug at a time and wait no less than 4 weeks after every reduction.

    Every redaction has to be 10% of the last dose (not the original) so the reductions have to exponentially get smaller.

    If it will be ok, you may try to reduce the holding time.

    What the drug's name?

  14. 22 hours ago, Seed said:

    This puts a lot of responsibility of those mods.... and of you. Is this really possible? What if one still slips through the net. How will you / they cope with this? Knowing they or you were actively involved in their last moments. I am a therapist and have to have extensive therapy to deal which such potentialities... as well as 4 year degree of practical and theoretical training. I also have insurance. The emotional impact and implication of putting someone else in this position of care is a huge.

    Edit: also without proper boundaries in place, there’s also high risk of vulnerable people become codependent on the mods.

    Please be careful. 


    I think its more about just to give a general direction to those people in terms of nutrition, physical activity, meditation techniques, detoxes, recommended therapists, life style changes, give them unconditional love etc.

    Not any sharp recommendation but only show the possibilities and give an healthier direction.

  15. On 13.5.2021 at 2:02 PM, bejapuskas said:

    @Nivsch  It is very interesting to have somebody from Israel on this thread, multi-culturalism and expression of various opinions should be more encouraged on this forum. Could you explain more about the left wing in Israel?

    Its difficult to say how much left there is becaue there is a center-left sector that thinks very similar and the "left" is a word people in israel afraid to identify with because of the Netanyahu toxic propaganda during the years.

    So its better to start from the right lol ?

    The Right wing, or conservatives, within Israel is like 55% I think. 

    Within the Right there are:

    Far right which wants to settle in the whole land without any compromises.

    Moderate Right ("Bibizm") who are not so into the settlement (a little) but still conservatives and traditional.

    Soft-Right, at least this is how we call it here, which is Right in the state and lands issues but Liberal and much more open to diversities in people lifestyle. Close to the center-left sector. These are the people I saw that moved to the opposite sector to co-operate with during the last years so its not just a name its practically important.

    The Center-Left sector, or Liberals, is like 25%, but together with the soft right is just a little less from the Right wing sector.

    Within the Center-Left sector there are:

    Center-left (surprisingly) which is exactly like Liberals in US I think and not far at all from western europe values. very pro gays, pro minorities... everything you want.

    Left who wants to get back to 67' with some changes.

    And there are Arab parties represent 20% of the population who I am much less know about their values but its kind of a mix.

    Means - The right wing sector is a little bigger but thats enough for him to win election time after time especially with Netanyahu who is very charismatic and plays people minds. But these days more people in the Right stand against Netanyahu because of its extreme low values during the last years so there is a hope.

    And now we have that military operation which I think the main responsible for the acceleration process in Jerusalem which lead to the current war is Netanyahu after the Center-left almost won him (until the current war).

    Of course the world see mainly the negative things, overlook the complexity, and cherry pick the Right and the Far Right (the "aphartide" is maybe-maybe only the far right which is just 15%) and decides that this is "Israel". 

    No this is not.

  16. The mentality gap between the palestinine government and the Israeli center-left attitude is very high. 

    The palestinine mostly can't understand the language of equality and civil rights and all of that.

    Therefore we need to meet them in the middle in a purely orange attitude with an economic peace, and only than there is a real hope for the both sides to get closer.

    Unfortunately Netanyahu chose to throw oil to the fire exactly during the days when the center-left tries to establish a government after he has failed. and the current war is (a big part of it) obviously for political reasons.