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    1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

    To stand up against the lies and demonization. How can you not see this? 

    I can totally feel it and be empathetic with this. When I do not deny that propaganda seems shallow from both sides, the partial falshood and demonization the other side do to Israel is very hard to handle emotionally, so I can understand why our propaganda needs to stand on its hind legs.

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    14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    You can find so many examples of Israeli spokespersons all over media spreading bullshit. I am too lazy to compile it all for you. Should be obvious by now if you watch the news.

    I have heard it. Again Israel's messages are reductionistic but doesn't mean they don't have truth behind them.

    Propaganda is time limited. You have minutes to reduce a complicated picture down. 

    And again you have to fight a counter propaganda which is 100 times stronger in volume, you have to be sharp and to prefer certain points above the others.

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    54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    The amount of bullshit coming from Zionists on this issue is cartoonish. They are too blinded by bias to see it coming out of their own mouths. Because as a Zionist you have decided that your first loyalty is to your tribe, not to truth.

    If you give examples that you see as the most tangible to you I will try to answer what I think, but otherwise I can't understand you.

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    5 minutes ago, zazen said:

    What level of security is needed when being a regional power with nukes, having neighbours who are friendly (Jordan, Egypt, the Gulf), having the backing of the West and the worlds super power isn't enough?

    You are overlooking WHY israel needed to become physically powerful, because without that power, Israel just would not survive here.

    Looking at the Israel-Palestine conflict without seeing simultaneously the bigger Israel-Arab World conflict picture, will always leave you with a highly skewed picture.

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    34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Why all the underhanded political manipulation if truth is on your side?

    But maybe it because Israelis feel almost negligible comparing the other side's 100M+ reaching propaganda?

    If you had such a low volume wouldn't you use a more strict words to compensate on this?

    When try to show a genuine message in such a tough conditions of course it will be showed reductionistic somehow, but it doesn't mean it isn't based on geunuine truths too.

    It again seems like Israel is the "stronger" one here but in reality it is complicated and not obvious at all.

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    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    That is the difference between those without and those with power. Using terrorism is not necessary when you are in a vastly dominant position. But you have to look at how Israel maintains its dominant position: through lies, propaganda, political manipulation, war crimes, funding of terrorist groups, and theft of land. When you allow yourself all that, who needs terrorism?

    The thing with the land, though I am not justify the today's neverending building of settlements there and think it has to stop, I still think I understand from where it came. 

    Back in 1967, Israel was under a serious existential threat knowing all the surrounding countries want its destruction and also saw operationally how those countries armies prepare themselves to an another trial in that direction. That is why the "six days war" in 1967 has started in the first place, as a preventive war.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War

    (There is a concern about the neutrality of this article I see now noted at the top, and I see some differences between this and the hebrew one, I add it too now to here and maybe you will see is an option to translate it, I tried and it worked  https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/מלחמת_ששת_הימים.     )

    Just from looking at the map we can see how narrow the land passage Israel has without the West Bank and how this might be a huge disadvantage to the ability to defend yourself, when you don't have this strategic mountains area.

    Though today this is no longer necessary to build more and more new neighborhoods there what isn't justified, the beginning of this project can be understandable when we enter the mind of a tiny fish surrounded by an ocean of sharks always planning how to wipe it away.

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    @Raze I still see key differences.

    hamas always try to kill civilians directly.

    IDF try to kill terrorists and to maintain an order and stability in both areas, while in its way to do so it, in some cases, acts a bit too loose on the weapon when faces operational chaos, using the surviving and saturated from threats brain to help it justify being so when facing those operational difficulties and sense of threat, to shortcut its work, out of an excuse/assumption that it can't be done otherwise.

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    10 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

    lol @ crackhead Barney 😂😂

     

    The pink haired guy is great. Very calm, fair and reasonable.

    Emily (the Jewish one) has indeed for a moment attacked Hassan too much when wasn't necessary, but she is quite right in her claims and most of the time answered to the point.

    Hassan kept repeating buzz words without explaining them. I understand he tried to show points about the Palestinian's problems that are real, but didn't succeeded much with that and always regressed to false slogans.

    Piers was fair too.

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    On 24.4.2024 at 4:43 AM, Leo Gura said:

    BPD can be a really taxing, stubborn, life-long condition. It's hard for such people to live normal well-functioning lives because their mind is so chaotic.

    It's no surprise that such people have a high suicide rate.

    It's hard for a normal person to understand the hell that BPD can be and how stubborn it is.

    I guess this applies to cases when the person has zero motivation to improve.

    But when someone HAS motivation, and no matter how hard his situation is, if he is consistent, there is no reason he won't improve.

    After all, the degree is what seperates those people from the rest and not the kind.

    Almost every person has sometimes mild symptoms that remind a lite version of some mental condition, what shows those conditions originally stem from healthy humanly functions, but exaggerated due to many factors.

    And for what spirituality exists at all if not to conquer our most profound mental challenges and learn from those, what I feel personally developing me the most.

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    On 23.4.2024 at 10:22 PM, Yimpa said:

    The term mental illness can  be problematic if one has wrong assumptions about what metal illness is. Many still assume that people have control over their mental illness and therefore shame and guilt them into thinking that there’s something fundamentally wrong with them (rather than treating the mental illness as something that is separate from the whole person).

    Not because of that, but because the very term itself is fundamentally flawed, and blinds us from relating to the problem in the right manner and from understanding what is really going on and connecting the dots in a deeper level.

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    1 hour ago, Mormegil said:

    an illness based on physiological and bio-chemical reactions in their body.

    Nutrition, environment, traumas, physical activity, worldviews etc. All of those too design your brain and body chemistry. Genetics are an important factor but still one factor, which has its somehow counter factor Epigenetics that flexes and complicates the Genetics one.

    Wereas in physical illnesses we can more easily differentiate between "correct" and "not correct" (even though there is a space to argue for some degree on this too many times I think), in mental conditions this is far more complicated, because the interpretation of something as a "failure" is here subjective and involving tons of assumptions and even cultural conditioning.

    What I think is going on is that genetics determine a tendency to a mental structure and thinking pattern. But from here to a highly debilitating state the length is huge, and depend on other factors.

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    2 hours ago, Mormegil said:

    Honestly I can tell some people here have never experienced a period of mental illness themselves or never had contact to a someone with those issues,

    I had years of high anxiety and ocd come in waves, but today in a much better and I would say a totally different place after insights I gained two years ago with a breakthrough in my understanding that has changed my life and the improvement holds quite steadily.

    The term "illness" for mental conditions is hugely problematic to my opinion for so many reasons I won't burden this message right now with but maybe later in the conversation. No doubt though the suffering is enormous anyway.

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    1 hour ago, Mormegil said:

    Quite the opposite. If a suicidal and desperate mind hears that it is morally okay to do it, there can be a gigantic feeling of relief. It's like a ton of tense feelings of guilt and shame and confusion suddenly dissolve inside you. And THAT is exactly the moment, when the mind suddenly can start open up to the better things in life. Because now it knows, there is always a possible way out, if things get too bad. But the mind doesn't get locked on that idea.

    Maybe for some people it will work that way, but for many other people the opposite I fear.

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    8 hours ago, fopylo said:

    after all it's us humans who created this modern environment lol.

    Because there were challenges for example viral diseases forced us to be initiative.

    But then we took that modern toy like a five year old boy's state humanity is found in today, used it irresponsibly naively think we can bypass nature.

    I think that crisis is necessary to appreciate from new and even stronger than ever the wisdom within you and/or in nature, and the ability to be special and fight for what is right, what acts as a powerful source of meaning.

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    3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

    Yes, well put. An alternate way to look at it:

    Too good would be, spending time in nature, caring for it, and appreciating it. Ditto your food, home, community, etc. What we have now is unbalanced.

    Our values are not in alignment with sustainability, so we don't sustain and take care of ourselves. We burn out, we have depression, reoccurring relationship problems, weight problems, dietary problems, musculoskeletal problems, and mental or physical illnesses. I see all this in the macro too, families not having kids, societies breaking apart, social unrest, and unnecessary national or personal debt to name a few.

    Exactly

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    4 hours ago, OBEler said:

    We have more time to use our inner monologue.

    Back then there was no time for this

    I don't know if there was no time, but less.

    But back then there were no other kinds of distractions we do have today, so I don't think the answer is thrivial.

    Do you refer here to the "inner monologue" as helpful or harming?

    But anyway the idea is not to really go back totally to these days but to re-incorporate foundations from the past we have lost.

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    29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    You can live in a golden castle, but if your physical or mental health is messed up then you might as well be living in hell.

    Sometimes I think maybe there is even a reverse correlation between "too good" conditions and too easily fulfilled basic needs, to mental health. Because ironically the modern living standards has taken us away from caring to ourselves and be connected to nature that are very important, and the absense of both in modern life is devastating to mental health. Also the solitude, too strong emphasize on core familiy which is potentially more de-stabilizing than the environment of a tribe which was, I think, more ideal to mental balance.

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    @Applegarden8 Quite agree because when suicide get legitimacy, the desperate mind might get locked on that idea and stop trying to challenge itself and to look for solutions out of his depression. Therefore to tell someone that even in theory suicide can be sometimes a valid option is highly irresponsible.

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    9 hours ago, tvaeli said:

    Then there is a lot of work to do to integrate others and find out they are "legal jews" in some sense, in being the legal cityzens of their country? Are they friendly people for the jews, and are they willing to mix their blood, understandings and family contacts in a way that jews would simply evolve and get some new blood; or are they somehow inviders?

    I like your fair and non-judgmental mature attitude I feel from your messages.

    I think both Jews and Arabs should have their place to fulfill their cultural uniqueness and collective ego, so I am not sure if mixing (in the family level) is the best option.

    I understood partially some of your points, I need to read you again before I can relate more 😃