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It will be completely lights out.... you won't even know that you ever existed because you actually don't already... it's Maya illusion of the self. The awareness is just part of the illusion. Go no further than thinking about getting knocked out in a boxing match, or being gassed before surgery, or being face down blackout drunk. Sure there is an occasional subconscious dream or thought because the body is still alive and functioning. But when you die it's completely lights out... there's no awareness or Consciousness that keeps on living eternally because it wasn't real to begin with. When people use that ridiculous awareness thing... ask them a few questions like what are you aware of other than what the body is directly observing right now... there's not awareness of what's happening at your neighbor's house, there's not awareness of what's happening at a sushi restaurant in Okinawa Japan. So awareness is just what's actually being observed or thought at this very moment by the body/mind organism nothing more nothing less. When the body/mind organism dies the illusion of awareness goes with it. Don't take my word for it look for yourself. ❤

Nothing goes on... because nothing is really happening now. But shhhh...don't tell the sense of self that, it thinks it's the center of the universe and very important.

That still sounds like the dream or at least a misunderstanding. It sounds like subtle dualism using non-dual phrasing and words. Basically if there is still a belief that there is a separate someone or something experiencing these happenings and taking ownership of them ...that's the dream. Because what's being said is the 'self' is what's being directly experienced by the body. For example you're not aware of what the neighbors are smelling right now you're not aware of what's happening in Madrid Spain at the supermarket. There's only awareness of that particular body/mind organisms experience, whether that be touch taste smell sight sound or the dream story. So if you want to claim that the you is just the experience of one body mind organism that's fine.... it's what's being experienced there. It's just not at all what this communication is pointing to.

Lol...Well that would just be what's apparently happening... it wouldn't mean that its better or worse than any other situation... it's not like the body becomes stupid.. it knows that eating something like s*** could make it ill. Same as eating spoiled salami.

"I laugh when I think how I once sought paradise as a realm outside of the world of birth. It is right in the world of birth and death that the miraculous truth is revealed. But this is not the laughter of someone who suddenly acquires a great fortune; neither is it the laughter of one who has won a victory. It is, rather, the laughter of one who; after having painfully searched for something for a long time, finds it one morning in the pocket of his coat." -- Thich Nhat Hanh

The main reason I avoid saying everything is self.... is because it was recognized there isn't one first of all... And secondly it gives hope for the separate sense of self that there is a way for it to survive. See the sense of self wants to experience Awakening without dying. But this is impossible because Awakening is the collapsing of the sense of self. When the sense of self actually collapses it doesn't fully go away it's grasping on to anything that will keep it alive... it's favorite thing to grasp ahold of is the notion that it's the new true self higher self higher consciousness, awareness, God. It becomes the new spiritual do-gooder self and why would you want to get rid of that it's so good. This is how cunning the mind or sense of self is. It does not die easily ❤ and sometimes it does ?

I see what you mean... In a sense it does become a one tone happening because it's recognized only thought makes distinctions about one quality or another. See the sense of self might believe the quality of watching the sunset on the beach drinking a mai tai would be a better quality than getting lets say a flat tire while driving to work. Yes they appear as different experiences but the quality of the experience is only a thought or a preferential judgement being created by the mind. when there is no preference or quality everything is just appearing as it is.

The main difference is the experience is no longer happening for the separate individual in the body....it's just what's happening. It's simultaneously recognized it never was happening for a separate person, it was a misidentification all along. Experience is no longer personal...❤

It's like going to a movie at the cinema and getting so caught up in the story you forget it's a story. “All the world's a stage,/ And all the men and women merely players.” -- Jacques

Yes the seeking for a better position in life ends because it's recognized every position was already it, which simultaneously makes the word 'position' non-applicable... there can't be a real position for everything and nothing. It's to die before you die... it's the collapsing of the illusion that believed it would one day find something called fulfillment/enlightenment in the future. It's unconditional freedom and love for No One.

Nice ? like it.. Yes when the Seeker collapses it's recognized non-duality is all there ever has been.

Yes....by looking closely!! Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire: Does the sense of self have a location? Does the sense of self have a shape or a size? Does the sense of self say or communicate anything? If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly? Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes? What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought Arising? If not, where is any Direct or Actual Experience of some sense of self?

I got you.... yes you're welcome... sometimes I just read comments quickly and respond. I found this video very informative about what the ego is ❤

This message points to every way being the way. The mind creates The Duality(illusion) of there being a right or wrong path to take. Every way is the path and every path is the way.

It can be recognized although everything is perfect whole and complete... because it's what is and isn't.. Why not make the world a better place? it's complete freedom. The body is capable of all kinds of things it can learn how to reduce carbon emissions, operate heavy machinery in the Navy. It will turn its head if it's name is called and jump out of the way of a moving train and prefer coffee over tea. The sense of self takes ownership of everything that's happening creating an illusory duality and creates a feeling of separation and lack ... it feels that something is missing.. This illusory lack is a trick to keep itself alive. See as long as you believe there is someone seeking and there is something to find, it perpetuates its own illusory existence.( running on the hamster wheel endlessly for no one to find nothing)

got it ?... this no reason can loosen up the sense of 'self' sometimes. ?

Are you saying that Someone here believes there is a VeganAwake here that believes there will be an "aha" moment in the future. this is complete rubbish laddie nothing has already happened ?

@Someone here Here is what you said : "I" wasn't talking about "I" obviously.. There is no "I" as a separate "I" to cease to exist.. But there is pure actuality.. Pure being if you wanna call it.. That is "ising" regardless of what "you" think or not think about it. Take a close look at what's happening here! You have swaped 'I' for 'Pure being'/'Pure actuality'/'ising'.... this is a misunderstanding... this isn't about a simple label change. it's clearly seeing through the illusion of the separate self... it's a holy s*** there isn't an actual me in the body experience. this is why I keep telling you guys to look.

Hehe watch at 2:20

Correct the ego or sense of self does not want to die.... why would it? did you think it was going to be like prancing on a rainbow in a pink skirt eating cotton candy.

The separate sense of 'self' cannot conceive of its own unreality, why would it.... it would be like putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger. That's why it's been called to die before you die

Who is 'I' that tried it?.....look closely. 'I' is also a thought... A thought can't dispel itself of itself when it believes its the thinker of the thoughts.

It points to ground zero condition. It doesn't just transcend the primordial spiral and spiral dynamics.... It completely shatters the limited belief that there's even something that could be transcended in the first place. This ancient wisdom is an open secret that has been pointed to for thousands of years through ancient sculptures symbols scripts and text. It's being pointed to right now. So easy and obvious, its overlooked. "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form" -- Gautama Buddha "Too close to be described, too close to be objectified, too close to be known in the usual way of knowledge" -- Gangaji “Darkness within darkness: the gateway to all understanding.” — Lao Tzu What you see is an illusion. The seer itself is an illusion, as in a dream. The dream itself is empty of reality, thus empty of meaning also. Where there has been no creation, not anything exists as either real or unreal. You are no more real than the dream you are in. Not anything is happening or has ever happened, in truth. been waiting for this one thanks brother ❤

There is nothing that needs to be done. People hear about something called Enlightenment and believe it's a special high achievement. But Enlightenment is the death of the individual that believes it can achieve something called Enlightenment at a future time. Can you see the funny situation here. Awakening or Enlightenment is just something that can take place for no Rhyme or Reason... it's not special in any way and it's not an achievement for anyone to have or earn... plain and simple ❤ There is nothing wrong with doing or not doing anything. "It's no measure of one's health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick Society" -- J Krishnamurti

yes everything is pointing to this so when it's recognized it can feel like coming home. For others it can be very unsettling and terrifying in fact.