VeganAwake

No one goes full circle. Hence the saying "no one becomes enlightened" Which BTW seems to be much more rare than previously thought here. After Awakening both relative and absolute concepts of the self are recognized to be nothing more than a projection of a conditioned web of beliefs otherwise known as the Mind Matrix. It seems that Harris and spira are still both very disillusioned in ways that seem different but are essentially exactly the same. The Mindmatrix/ web of belief is a b**** to completely break free of and it's very rare. ❤ Awakening is the recognition that the individual simply never occurred/ snapping out of the Mind Matrix known as ME!

This could mean a lot of different things. "You are the storm" could mean that the resistance to what is can cause a seemingly storm of suffering. ❤

There was never an ocean either ❤

Ordinary and extraordinary seems to be the best way to describe it. ❤

No because there actually isn't a 'You' to have something called Awakening. ❤

It was definitely off-topic my fault. ❤

What if it's just that particular body/mind organism imagining that birth and death are imaginary? The creation of the separate individual within the body-mind organism seems to be the only completely illusory part of this apparent experience.

Others apparent consciousness was still there, but his was gone. That means when that body/mind die's, it's completely lights out. There won't even be the slightest inkling of anything ever existing, just like before birth. ❤

Consciousness is nothing more than the direct experience of the body/ mind organism and it's perceptual imagination. This is why you're not conscious of what the neighbor had for dinner tonight or how many fingers I'm holding up behind my back or what's happening at a gas station in China. If a meteor annihilated planet Earth and all life was destroyed instantaneously... it would be completely lights out... there would not be anything left to claim such a thing as consciousness. There would not even be a memory of existence ever existing. ❤ Surprise!!

Exactly it's already complete!!

Like when people thought the world was flat and the sun circled around the Earth

And well of course simultaneously it can be labeled, placed in a box and believed to be understood... Time is a great example of this. There is apparent time: I can schedule to meet with my real estate agent in the next hour to discuss the selling of a piece of property. And simultaneously that concept of time was created by humans and doesn't really exist. This is what is meant by saying the experience is simultaneously REAL and UNREAL.

@Someone here yeah you can call it whatever you want, absolute truth, dirty socks, cupcake,... its infinite ❤

? "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players" - William Shakespeare

You can't place a label on that which is infinite, and hang it on a nail, mark it off like a badge of accomplishment... it doesn't work like that. It also can't be placed in a box and checked off as understood. But go ahead and try as you will nothing wrong with that..❤

Are you looking for truth or the end of seeking. Because the end of seeking is recognizing the Seeker was just the mind running rampant. It's unknowable but not in the sense that things can't seem to be apparently discovered. It's unknowable in the sense that whatever the mind projects onto these apparent discoveries is just another conditioned and limited concept. So in that sense you could say absolute truth is that everything is absolutely unknowable and infinite ❤

? The separate sense of self places an overlay of meaning purpose and value over top of reality and operates from that perspective/dream story. There's nothing right or wrong with it that's just the case. So reality is an empty happening and then along comes the conditioned sense of self which creates a story out of this empty happening placing meaning purpose and value on to everything and operating from the self centered view. Again there's nothing right or wrong with it that just seems to be the case ❤

The separate sense of self would expect there to be a grand firework show upon awakening because that's what it thinks must happen, but It can also actually be quite ordinary. It's a disentangling from the socially conditioned Matrix of mind known as 'ME' ❤

But the layers aren't real, that's the illusory self that can be seen through ❤

Like shouting for silence or fighting for peace ?

@Forestluv What Jim's pointing to is, the experience 'you' felt watching this video is completeness being experienced as something other than completeness. ❤

@Someone here it's real and unreal Watch at 4:15 ❤

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It can be random and sought after. "Do not seek illumination unless you seek it as a man whose hair is on fire seeks a pond" - Sri Ramakrishna ❤

Values and morals are socially conditioned mind made concepts. So in that sense the only thing making them seem real are conditioned patterns of thinking. ❤