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But you're assuming: "I'm meeeeee, i'm real!" needs a witness. There's no witness The witness is illusory.. There's no daddy that has your back!!

From a relative perspective it's an endless game of catch and release. From an absolute perspective there was nothing that needed to be caught in the first place! But catching and releasing and not fishing are all the same thing ❤

Either way it doesn't matter that's the beauty of it ❤ Are you getting this

There's nobody behind the steering wheel... When that's recognized it's like oh s*** ❤

Glamorizing the prison cell is what that's often referred to in spiritual circles! And often mistaken as Awakening! The question makes no sense from an enlightened perspective because enlightenment is the disintegration of the 'YOU' that believes in relativity and thinks it's going to gain something from enlightenment. ❤

It's real and unreal! Real in the sense that you can meet somebody at a certain man-made clock time. Unreal in the sense that ultimately time is a man-made concept. A way to differentiate. And there's nothing right or wrong with that it's just what's happening!

Look out everyone the MU police is coming through... so scary Joking ❤

Nice ? What a trip right, the most important thing in the world(ME) ends up being an illusion!! What a show what a show bravo bravo ? But there's no one that knows that and it's not right or wrong ?

Yes and the grace for the entire situation comes from understanding that nobody really had a choice. Like Leo says "Awareness alone is Curative." We are born into a conditioned Society and essentially molded to fit and for survival purposes. The idea that there is something wrong with this is also a form of conditioning. There's nothing really right or wrong with anything just a thought about it. In one part of the world a certain behavior may be encouraged... and in another part it may be discouraged... it's just a big game. The beginning of Liberation can feel like you're more trapped than ever. Keep looking into this and exploring who feels like they're trapped. ❤

The desire not to desire? If desire occurs that's what's happening simple as that. Maybe the idea that it's causing "a someone" to suffer is the real issue. ❤

It's fair game after Awakening.. anything can occur. Typically a lot of rigidness of life is loosened up or let go of. There can still seem to be a conditioned character that may prefer coffee over tea, it's the inner peace and satisfaction which is key ❤

The Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it. ~ Gospel of Thomas

Reminded me of this ❤

You can't get outside of Everything to point at it. & The individual within the body that experiences "I am here" and everything else is out there, is an ILLUSION ❤ Duality is a word that points to something that never actually occurred...

Well the sense of self is experience...so it can't fathom non-experience the same way it can't grasp unknowing. ❤

Yes ? The biggest problem for the sense of self is death. It can't comprehend its own unreality ❤

It's just in my experience when I was sedated a couple times for surgery, it was just nothingness or total unawareness / unconsciousness. It can even be described because it's soooo nothing.

"The greatest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance- it's the illusion of knowledge"

Fighting illusion perpetuates the belief that it's real... Like endlessly running towards mirages of water in the desert

But If someone picks up a rock without you being conscious of it and nails you in the back of the leg you'll become conscious quick that there was a hard piece of matter otherwise known as a rock that apparently exists.

Well then that would be what's happening. It's whole complete and perfect ❤

Well that's the interesting part bro because Awakening is the collapse/death of the separate individual that believes something special needs to occur for awakening to be experienced. So in a sense it's a non happening because something that was never real to begin with collapses ? As far as describing it, ordinary and extraordinary describes it well. But It's the disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as ME... Seeking ends because it's recognized finally that the only thing striving to put itself in a better position was the conditioned sense of self believing there's a better experience to be had in the future and perpetuating its own illusory existence. It's simultaneously recognized that none of this seeking matters in any way at all, but that understanding can only be fully grasped upon the collapse of the individual. ❤

Well the illusory part maybe that it means something holds value or is important in some way or the other. Yay I'm conscious that the body is picking its nose right now this is great.. My cat appears to be conscious that I just put a treat on the ground for it... yay this is incredible!! The only thing that believes that higher Consciousness will be beneficial is the separate sense of self that wants to get something out of everything. But that's the game of the ego... as long as it's seeking for a better experience of course always in the future, it perpetuates its own illusory existence.( running on the hamster wheel) ❤

it can be recognized that the dream character in the dream story places an overlay over top of reality and operates from that self-centered perspective. When this starts becoming recognized it can be quite funny and or shocking... This Is essentially Eckhart Tolle's entire teaching squeezed into a few sentences Also not saying that this recognition has not occurred there ❤

Ajata Project Welcome An Empty Answer You want me to “say more” about nothingness. Could anything be more paradoxical for the reader than to try to understand “nothing”? Why? Because most people start from the conviction that there is something which does exist; if nothing more, at least “me”. So, you will not likely appreciate nothingness unless you have come to realization through advaita. At least we will, then, begin without the assumption that a “me” really exists. But even for the realized advatin, there will almost certainly be a presumption that “something” exists in the realm of reality. Even “reality”. Advaita points to ajata, and ajata is about nothingness, or emptiness. The Diamond Sutra of Buddhism, points exclusively to it. Hui Neng, the Sixth Chinese Patriarch, declares flatly: ‘There is nothing from the start.” These sources, among others, set your foot on the path, but recognize that most people are then going to immediately be lost. I have written clearly about advaita, and several have understood what I’ve said. I have spoken, to some of these, about what lies beyond the “Absolute,” and a couple have understood. So I will try to explain it, as best I can. The “ultimate condition” (if any) is nothingness, the complete “absence” of anything—no thing, of any possible description. The (approximate) comprehension of this would be to conceive of “emptiness”, as the emptiness of which not anything could be emptied; pure unassociated emptiness, and not even an emptiness which is within some imagined boundaries. The word “void” could be applied; but this “actuality” is not void of something—in any positive sense. So the nothingness of which we speak is totally empty, free of any subtlety which could even be envisioned. Hence there is not anything “within” it that can be subject to any kind of movement, or even change. Not anything can “come from” nothingness, nor “return” to it. It is not the “origin” of anything. In fact, it could not be applicable to say that it exists, or does not exist. Thus we can’t say that this is the “beginning” condition or the “ending” condition. At best, we could say that (if it were “existent”) it would be the ever-present condition. Yet, it is not an abstraction: its presence is “eternal”. “In” its presence are supposed creatures, and the world and universe they seem to inhabit. But all of these supposed things are “in” nothingness. They have not appeared from nothingness, or out of nothingness, or because of nothingness. In fact, they have not actually “appeared”, except as nothingness. The creatures take their reality, their “existence”, for granted; and thus also the reality or existence of the world and its universe—not knowing that they are nothing. The assumption is: ‘There was a time when I didn’t exist, a time when I existed, and a time when I will no longer exist”. But there are no such times. Not anything has ever “existed”, from the standpoint of nothingness. In nothingness, there is no “time”. What makes this so difficult to understand, is that because we say that “I have existed”, we conclude that there is some thing. And indeed we look around and say there are other things, such as a world or a universe. But the presumption that there was a time when I did not exist (or do; or will not exist) is false: no arising, abiding or decaying exists in nothingness. In other words, not anything “happens” in nothingness. “We” are nothing, the “world” is nothing, the “universe” is nothing. In nothingness, there is neither existence nor nonexistence. There is only nothing. From the standpoint of nothingness, no questions can arise. We can not ask for, nor expect, an explanation: not anything ever happens, in nothingness. The value of this understanding is that not anything really matters. Even understanding this does not matter. All is emptiness. That is the “empty” answer. The scriptures speak of one who is in sahaja samadhi as having “no mind” or an “empty mind”. It is this appreciation of nothingness that is referred to. - Ajata Project (Robert Wolfe)