VeganAwake

Gotcha, I'm definitely not trying to deny the seemingly real experience of separation. Let me ask you a question: Lets say you have a dream at night where you get pulled over by a police officer and given a $300 ticket for improperly tinted windows and you are very upset. When you wake up, do you continue being pissed off for this $300 ticket? Do you start calling your friends and telling them how irritated you are with law enforcement regulation. Of course not because it was clearly recognized that it was Just a Dream. This is how Awakening is. When this illusory character and its web of believes is clearly seen through, it begins to dissolve under the weight of Truth because it was recognized to be only a dream story... there's no need to kill it or collapse it because it's literally recognized to have never been real. Awakening is the end of the dream character attempting to put itself in a better position in the future. No one becomes enlightened and no one ever will. ❤

Yes exactly, it's the clear recognition by NO ONE that there simply never was an individual that could gain or lose anything to begin with.

"Enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing through the facade of pretence. It's the complete eradication of everything we imagined to be true". - Adyashanti Remember bro, it's not a gaining of any kind. Its the dissolving of all concepts and beliefs identified with as 'ME'. The glass is full there. This full glass is an illusion.... The 101 Concepts about Nirvana seem to hide it. Nirvana is already the case. Drop the concepts and Nirvana is revealed. ❤

Exactly because it's freedom for no one which is already the case

Interesting, This conversation sounds like its pointing to the illusion of free will and choice. There is a conditioned body-mind making conditioned choices...and then the sense of self or ego claims it as MY decision or choice.

Reality doesn't care what concepts are given to it, it just continues being itself. 101 concepts can be given to reality, it doesn't change anything because reality is already complete...it doesn't have an identity issue.

Truth suggests their is something false. There is nothing false- only misunderstandings and or poor translation. Truth isn't somewhere else, its already the case. Its THIS. Truth is a concept created within the dualistic dream story of individuality. The knower/full glasser never recognizes THIS. Only nobody finds THIS...❤

The ME character is like a bundle of conditioned memories, knowledge, ideas and beliefs. Its more like an assumed identity than anything else, and it seems so damn obvious that its rarely ever inspected closely. If that body had been born and raised in Moscow Russia for example, it would have a totally different bundle of conditioned memories, knowledge, ideas and beliefs. So in that sense the apparent individual is its conditioning. But is there a real individual there inside the body? LOOK closely...

Seems to be an evolutionary survival strategy. Its a misidentification as this or that.

Sweet ?

@WelcometoReality ❤

Yeah man, Its unknowable THIS!

@The0Self ?

Yes exactly, but also SEE that apparent others are simply caught in the dream of being an individual where meaning, purpose and value are inherent beliefs holding together their reality. THIS seeing is unconditional love. The love and understanding is there because 'YOU' were once in their shoes. ❤

Notice your beliefs don't actually change anything in reality. You could believe you are the almighty eternal pink elephant god of Syria. DOESN'T change anything....its only mind delusion.

That experience is whole complete and perfect. It's not what's being experienced here ❤

Perfect, you got time to get yourself right. ❤

No one was ever not enlightened either. Can u ?

There is no answer

Just leave it at, no one knows LOL...joke ❤

The sense of self expects there to be a grand firework show because its death sounds like such a big important happening. It can be shockingly extraordinary and simultaneously ordinary... every experience is a little different and simular in ways. The phrase "ego death" is pointing to a dis-identification process as the sense of self. Or as I like to call it, a disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as ME. But it's more of a non happening because it's clearly seeing through the illusion of self. And when its seen clearly without a doubt the disassociation occurs naturally to some extent. The energy that was once given to this illusory ME is drastically reduced and it deflates under the weight of Truth.

Yes imaginary lines can get blurred quickly ?

There was never anyone racing to begin with. The start, race and finish line was a dream story. THIS doesn't go anywhere, there's nothing to achieve and no one in which could achieve it. ❤ I'm sure Adya was referring to post awakening integration.

There was apparent trauma for an apparent individual with apparent repercussions after the events. Hence the phrase real and unreal experience. Look closely enough though and it can be recognized that there was never a real experiencer anywhere. Only conditioned thoughts and emotions being identified with as the ME. ❤