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@Gidiot yes a complete mind-f***, almost like prisonbreaking the mind and then recognizing there was never a real prison or prisoner. Like busting through Illusions only to look back and see nothing there.... complete Anarchy. There is no goal no meaning purpose or value to anything. No real path to follow, complete freedom for No One. Nothing matters in any way at all. Wholeness without an opposite. And after this realization there can be going out and starting a business and setting goals, yet no one is bound to them any longer.... it's indescribable! ❤

That's really a good point & reminds me of the phrase "ignorance is bliss". And what's crazy is although enlightenment is usually described as an impersonal experience, it's simultaneously very personal in the sense that every experience is different. Some seem to have an open receptiveness to it, and it can seem quite ordinary while others experience life shattering or debilitating reactions. Even heard it described as a terrifying realization. It's like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get. Here it could be described as shockingly ordinary and simultaneously extraordinary but completely unexpected. In a weird way it feels like death and rebirth yet it's recognized no one is living it. ?

As a prior Seeker I can tell you've done your fair share of seeking non-dual wisdom and such...the glass is filled to the top and overflowing. The thing is this conversation isn't going anywhere because there is a slew of preconceived notions held their about what enlightenment should or shouldn't be like. And if what's being said here doesn't match up with those preconceived notions they're cast to the side and labeled as bullshit..... it's actually a defense mechanism of the ego which is called "shoot the messenger". If you shoot the messenger you don't have to take seriously the implications of the message. You don't have anybody in a corner because there isn't an I or a YOU, just acquired concepts identified with as MY concepts. The video actually seemed quite relevant. ? wouldn't you say. ❤

You definitely have some very wild and creative ideas about enlightenment. It reminds me of this movie.

That's what's being experienced there, its whole complete and perfect. ?

There's nowhere to get to, there's no levels or degrees which need to be attained. All there is is wholeness which also includes the experience of separation. ❤

@Salvijus This is exactly why it's referred to as Awakening. It reveals the futility of an unreal individual attempting to find wholeness within wholness. ❤

No one has an absolute realization and there are not degrees and levels of enlightenment. It's total freedom for no one because it's recognized there never was an individual bound and suffering in the first place. Levels and degrees of Enlightenment only occur within the dream story of a real separate individual that could attain certain degrees and levels towards completeness or wholeness. All there is is wholeness.

Oh resistance and judgments can still arise, there just not arising for anyone. Enlightenment isn't about becoming a meditating pacifist that would get walked on or taken advantage of by the general public. It's fair game after Enlightenment and that's the true Freedom being sought after. ❤

Enlightenment has nothing to do with total acceptance. It's the recognition that there never was an individual that could make a decision to accept things or not. Enlightenment is actually very rare and it's never what the sense of self thinks it will be like. There's no such thing as an enlightened individual that would test out the authenticity of enlightenment because there is no one left that would care to prove anything. ❤

@Salvijus that individual right there that has been acquiring so-called spiritual knowledge over apparent time and now believes it has gained enough knowledge to have an educated discussion on what enlightenment entails is completely illusory..... there's no one there. And when those spiritual concepts get challenged or threatened it feels like someone is challenging/threatening MY concepts.... it feels very personal. This is what suffering is... the identification as the vulnerable individual that has to defend itself. There's apparent concepts but there's no one behind them... no owner... take a close LOOK! ❤

@Salvijus in a sense it kind of sounds like we're pointing to the same recognition but it's actually the opposite. Any sense of becoming aware or recognizing one's true nature as pure awareness is simply the ego trying to re-establish its identity under the radar as this new improved higher spiritual self.... it's often referred to as the spiritual ego. Enlightenment doesn't result in landing at a conclusion that lines up or meets the seekers agenda. It's the Revelation that the seeker and its so-called conclusions about what THIS IS were completely illusory. ❤

Enlightenment has nothing to do with recognizing your true nature as pure awareness or any of those spiritual ideas. It's literally the end of knowing anything because it's recognized the individual that thinks it knows or can know is completely unreal.(Cosmic joke) The word truth implies that there is something that's false... there is nothing that's false... only misunderstandings. Enlightenment is the end of the seeker that believes it will one day arrive at or attain so-called enlightenment. It's the recognition that there never was an experiencer. It's the end of suffering because it's recognized there never was a real individual to suffer in the first place. Enlightenment has nothing to do with the body experiencing or not experiencing pain when the flesh is being burnt. It's recognizing the very one that claims this pain and suffering as mine is completely unreal. ❤

There isn't a you and then a separate thing called an ego. The ego is the experience of being a separate self. The end of that experience is the recognition that it was never real from the start. Who is not sure? Who is fighting for enlightenment? What is I? What does I consist of? Don't think LOOK! ❤

"The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery Is Not Ignorance—It Is the Illusion of Knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin Inquiring into anything with preconceived notions and biases about what something is or is like will keep what's being sought camouflaged in plain sight. It requires an openness and an empty glass. The surrender and admittance that what is being sought is simply not understood currently. ❤

I get what you're saying. On one hand the constant seeking and spiritual practices perpetuate the belief that there is a real separate individual that can one day find what it feels like is missing. On the other hand when the constant seeking and spiritual practices start to become overwhelming/exhausting and rendering no lasting results, the methods start becoming questionable and are brought to the forefront of the investigation. "Do not seek Enlightenment unless you seek it like a man whose hair is on fire seeks water" There is a way and there simultaneously is not a way which is what the pathless path means. It's almost as if the seeking energy simply burns itself out. ❤

Yes exactamundo, no one decides to do or not do meditation, it simply happens or it does not regardless of the thoughts about it. ❤

Starting to like what I'm hearing. It's unknowable and not because it's special or complex... because the individual that thinks it can come to know what THIS IS isn't real. It's empty of meaning, purpose and value. Absolute perfection and freedom for no one. ❤

Well simply put if there is an experience that an individual became enlightened that would be the clearest sign that enlightenment is not being experienced there. That's what's referred to as spiritual ego. The belief that an individual has attained something called enlightenment. No amount of telling yourself you have become enlightened is enlightenment bud sorry. ❤

That's about right, I would just say it a little differently. Travis was a desperate seeker doing daily meditation, yoga, and watching actualized.org and tons of other spiritual videos on YouTube.... it felt like I was going to loose my mind at times. Then one day for no reason at all it was recognized that this apparent individual that was so desperately seeking for who knows what, was not a real entity. Things got really weird for a couple of years.(lots of confusion & impulse emotions) It actually wasn't until the last eight or nine months that things really started settling down. ❤

I don't know what Neo Advaita is, I think it means "a new not too" and that just doesn't make any sense. There's no such thing as truth because there isn't anything false, there's only apparent misunderstandings. Enlightenment isn't real bro. It's a concept within the dream story of being a separate individual that can one day wake up with enough diligent spiritual practice or meditation. The seeker also spent a lot of time meditating back in 2017/2018 until the it was recognized to be completely unreal. ❤

I get that's how it seems ❤ I'm not peddling a bag of tricks though. I'm not trying to replace anyone's beliefs with other beliefs or something like that. There can be a recognition that this individual jumping through spiritual hoops and practices attempting to find something it feels is missing.... is not a real entity within the body... it's an illusion of self which never gets satisfied.

I get what you're saying trust me ❤ What's being pointed out is there isn't a you to decide or not. I'm not trying to replace spiritual beliefs and practices with something else. Awakening is the revelation that this individual jumping through spiritual hoops & spending years on the so-called spiritual path ISNT REAL AT ALL.(the cosmic joke)

There's nothing right or wrong with meditation and yes it's THIS. What was being pointed out is the sense of self will latch onto these spiritual practice concepts and jump through hoops until the cows come home.