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Then that is what is being experienced there. It's whole, complete and perfect. ?

I will do my best to explain this experience: Your mother's body gave birth to that body there. It was given a name, birth certificate and social security number. And from a very young age that body was told that it was a separate individual named wally.(let's call it wally for communication purposes?) Everything the wally body experiences and learns, enhances wally's 'sense of self'. As the wally body grows and experiences, so does wally's 'sense of self'. The wally 'sense of self' experience also gives rise to the experience of other 'separate self's' out there in the world.(mirror effect) The wally body feels like, I am here and everything else is out there. One day the wally body starts feeling separate and alone, like something is missing and so it starts looking for something to remedy this situation.(seeking) One day the wally body hears about something amazing called spiritual enlightenment. This must be the answer the wally body exclaims!!! So the wally body starts watching videos and reading spiritual texts. It starts meditation and jumping through all kinds of spiritual hoops which it has heard could bring about spiritual enlightenment for wally. But what the wally doesn't recognize is that this Entire set-up of feeling separate and alone & that something is missing is a complete False Claim or Misunderstanding. See wally isn't actually real. He feels real and separate but this is an illusion of the wally self. See nothing that the wally body learned or experienced growing up actually equals or amounts to a real separate wally individual. There IS a real conditioned body called wally but that centered innermost sense of individuality is just an illusory construct held within the wally body's mind. In fact if that wally body hits its head hard enough, it could completely forget its entire conceptual identity. Simply put: Anything that wally attempts to do to attain so-called spiritual enlightenment, only reinforces and sustains the illusion of wally being a real separate individual in the first place. So in that sense the entire spiritual paradigm is dualistic and completely useless. Why? Because there NEVER was a separate wally in the first place that even could become spiritually enlightened. There is no separate wally self; there is no thing that realizes its not the wally self; there is no thing that realizes it's everything; and there is no thing that realizes its nothing. It was all just Maya, the illusion of the self spinning in circles. Meaning nothing ever actually happened, it only seemed to. It's freedom for No One!! Which is simultaneously nothing and everything!! ❤

That is still just the illusion of self but now identifying as everything. It's a very sneaky illusion in that sense. This is the apparent issue of not cleary seeing through or uprooting this illusion of self in initial self enquiry. It's what's often referred to as spiritual ego. It will convincingly say, well since I'm not the limited human body-mind organism, I must be everything then, I must be that which holds said phenomenon. Simply put: When the ego senses it's demise/recognition of its own unreality, it scrambles under the radar for its new higher proclaimed identity. This new special identity is Spiritual Ego sometimes called the higher self.....but it's just Ego functioning extra sneakily. ❤

@Aaron p Check out books by J Krishnamurti. This topic was his forte!! ❤

This is interesting and I totally get what your saying. You are really giving ego to much credit and awakening to much specialness though. It's just a simple recognition that this sense of self / ego isn't a real entity. Just a hey, this big important me isn't actually there.... it's an illusion of self. Sure when this is clearly recognized it can take some time to unravel and it can feel really strange and or relieving for a while. I like to describe it as ordinary and simultaneously extraordinary. ❤

The body!!

Nothing is necessary because the question arises out of an illusory-like experience of separation where meaning, purpose & value seem real. Awakening reveals the questioner or individual within the body isn't real. Nonduality is already everything without a second. No real you or me....no real separation....boom nonduality! ❤

Yeah man...there is only what seems to be happening! It's a real mind-f*** because it really seemed like there was a me making progress on the so-called spiritual journey.....now that whole experience felt like a ghost running on a treadmill. Nobody was getting anywhere ? ❤

Have you tried dumping all that conditioned spiritual materialism yet? Are you capable of dropping all that so-called spiritual knowledge which you so desperately cling to and identify with? Not dropping it because someone recommended you to.... Dropping it because it is clearly seen to be complete BS. Do you fear that reality as you know it will be turned upside down and unravel underneath your feet? Well that's exactly what awakening feels like at first. It's not exactly an endeavor for the faint-hearted. But what's longed for isn't a something to be found. What's longed for is the end of the experience that something is missing. What's missing is the realization that nothing is missing. Like a carrot dangling in front of the donkey's nose, the illusory seeker seeks and seeks and seeks to no end, and whatever is found along the way only temporarily satisfies its unquenchable desire. You see if it ever found satisfaction, it would be the end of the seeker & the experience that something needed to be found/discovered/attained. For the seeker the answer always lies just outside of its reach, just up ahead in the next spiritual book or text or perhaps during the next trip or next meditation session. This seeking energy is real but under the false assumption that wholeness is somewhere else. THIS is already whole and complete & it can't be found anywhere else because it's already all that there is. ❤

Love that ? Yeah although I wouldn't describe it as something learned. Rather its a cessation or clear recognition that there never was a real individual experiencing satisfaction or dissatisfaction in the first place. Satisfied & Unsatisfied feelings still arise but they are no longer arising for a someone......so in that sense it feels completely satisfactory ? ❤

There seems to be a someone thinking thoughts in accordance with his or her societal conditioning. But don't buy into it because nothing is actually happening in reality! ❤

Right, and notice it's definitely more than just an idea, it's an energetic experience which builds upon itself from a young age. The amount of energy that's put into upholding this self construct isn't even fully realized until it collapses/recognized as having never been. Energy can then move through the body with ease & without getting caught up on the very sticky 'sense of self'. ❤

Yes it can feel extremely frustrating for the 'sense of self' that so desperately wants to experience awakening. LOOK closely at this 'self construct' that wants to have an awakening or have its awakening validated. - What is it? - What is it made of? - Does it actually exist?

The difficulty in explaining a no self awakening is that when it occurs, the experiencer of said awakening (YOU) is recognized to have NEVER been real. There is still a body with its senses but it's completely empty of the 'I' 'I' is realized to have been a mere assumption or misunderstanding often referred to as "the illusion of self" There never was a real you and absolutely nothing mattered/matters. It's freedom from & for nobody! ❤

It will be nothing just as before the body was born. A temporary appearance/experience and then collapses back into nothing. Nobody wants to hear that....well maybe some haha And in that sense, nothing actually matters. ❤

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I know what you mean. Yes you have to take care of your mental and physical well being so you can continue helping others. It that sense everything is a win win situation. ❤

Interesting...sounds like spiritual bondage. I remember feeling like I needed to uphold this big spiritual persona as a happy and always calm spiritual dude. The worst was the guilt, like if I forgot to do something or said something out of line with my spiritual beliefs I would feel so guilty and unspiritual afterwards. What a ride! ❤

Yep, there is no escaping the appearance of having responsibilities within conditioned society, and there are plenty of consequences for not upholding them.

Nobody knows... So be nobody!! ❤

I would tell you first and foremost that there's nothing right or wrong with getting irritated and being mean. Recognizing that clearly can diminish guilt or suffering sometimes but not always. There's just not a one method fits all approach to it. You could try to start a new habit of recognizing early the feelings of irritation when they start to arise and do breathing exercises. Make up an excuse that you have a doctor's appointment that you forgot about when you start feeling irritated during a conversation. Pretend you got a phone call. Don't talk to morons. Don't speak or give advice when you feel irritated and mad. Keep a note in your pocket that you pull out when you feel irritated that says: "Calm the fuk down barna, it's not that serious". Whatever method you choose try to make it creative and fun if possible. ❤

The universe looks like a runaway train without a driver to me.

Yeah that's a great way of saying it. It's hilarious when people say or believe they can know Infinity. I want to say: "yo you don't even know what your neighbor had for lunch today, how in bloody christ do you think you can know that which has no parameters. Hahaha literally the definition of egoic delusions of grandeur. ❤