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Can you live without a thought of an elephant in your mind? You can. And you cannot. There is no need to avoid anything. Everything is to be realized merely. Nothing changes when you don't think of an elephant in a red dress. Everything still is.

@now is forever Crossed my mind too

Thatwhichcannotbenamed

That's so dope.

@Anton Rogachevski Sounds fun; will look after it. Thanks!

@Nahm Yes. And it means nothing. So I make something out of it. I choose to believe you exist, Nahm. And you're awesome.

What is your current perspective on this topic? What is the difference between the two? I came to a conclusion that there is no difference. Speaking from my direct experience; the two go hand in hand. They might as well be indistinguishable. Of course; the concepts used while personally developing yourself differ from those used while focused on spiritual growth and expansion. Simply because each person is unique, while spirituality seems to have a "common ground" for everybody. But that's not what I'm talking about here. There is something that pushes one forward into growth. I'd say it is inevitable. You may call it "purpose", "reason", "mission" or whatever other label you are comfortable with. It is what makes you wake up in the morning. Without it, there would be no existance for you. My argument is; This purpose cannot be avoided. What is meant to be; will be. On one's journey of transformation and expansion, one has the freedom to choose conceptual models which resonate, and study them in order to reach a conceptual understanding of what actually is. It does not change the nature of what is. It only helps one reach a higher understanding of actuality. The expansion will occur regardless of conceptual models and their accuracy. It does not matter whether your "goal" is to become an enlightened master or a professional athlete. Those are merely labels. And they come with a certain conceptual model and environment. Both conceptual paths towards this conceptual goal have their set of challenges; obstacles. What is that actually? It is the process of transcending limitations. Expansion. Growth. You may label these limitations how ever the heck you want. Actual expansion will not be affected by those labels. An individual that is exploring spiritually-themed concepts may argue, that being a proffesional athlete cannot compare to being an enlightened master. Oh yeah? How so? What if; a spiritually oriented individual saying that out loud is actually a part of the althlete's process of transcending limitations? What if your argument is merely a distraction to him? An obstacle for him to recognize and overcome. What if the athlete is closer to his version of enlightenment than you are? And he probably doesn't even have a clue about this thing called enlightenment. What if you are, as a spirutal individual, even further behind on your path towards actual enlightenment? Regardless of your level of conceptual understanding of it. Why? Well maybe becauase you're full of judgement towards the athlete? And you are unable to accept anything outside of your own conceptual model of reality? You are unable to see how his path is equally as important as yours. Equally as valid. The athlete does not pay attention to distractions. He maintains focus on what is and shoots towards the goal. At that precise moment, he might as well be completely empty of self and merged with the absolute. He might be enlightened indeed, and have no need to let everybody know. He himself does not know, probably. That is why it's legit; one could argue. So yeah, my point is: "Enlightenment" is a concept. A highly accurate one, but you can still get lost in it. Big time. This should be apparent by now. "Spirituality" is a lifestyle. It is a perspective. It is a path, not the path. I like to think of it as the self's coping mechanism, even. Real spirituality and enlightenment can look like anything. In fact; the more unique, the more actual. Enlightened, if you will. And please do not bring up arguments such as: "being a succesful athlete is a sign of egoic tendencies" yadayadayada. Claiming such things is absolutely ridiculous. I am talking about actuality here. No one ever pointed to this "ego" actually. It is made up. Imaginary. So stop bringing up imaginary arguments. I feel like I extracted what needed to be extracted from this spirituality thing. I might as well be back on the path of becoming a rock star. It is my enlightenment. My totality. My purpose. My contribution to oneness. My unique way of creating meaning. Anyone who tries to convince me otherwise is an obstacle. And I love challenges. They give me an opportunity to show myself how firmly I stand my own ground. How blindly I trust myself. How enlightened I am. How accepting of other perspectives I am. How focused. How determined. How whole. How actual. How Ivan. What is your twist?

Says who? Is there a hidden intention? Am I supposed to realize something? Am I supposed to start doubting myself; again? Am I supposed to start questioning in circles; hearing only my own echo? Why? Really, why? What's there or anywhere else that could possibly be better, more enlightened than this moment right now, right here? How does non existance beat existance?

@Nahm My peak beyond conceptual occured long ago. I am an artist Nahm. A deeply passionate one. The thing that people call "the peak", or "the flow state" is something I was engaged in since I can remember, pretty much. I litterally had nothing but music. Since I know myself as Ivan. No real family, no real friends, no real anything really. Only music. Only melodies. Only flow. Only passion. That is how I am here where I am. I did not choose to be involved in any movement or group. I just live my passion. With my every breath. There is no movement I make without consciously aiming for passion. I did this while I was asleep as well, automatically. Since I became aware of it now, I can keep doing what I was doing since forever; with even more passion and love; consciously. Also; I'd say I gained some solid wisdom during the journey so far. It was not my intention tho. I was never a way too "knowledge-oriented" person. Yet it happened, naturally. I seem to see through a lot of things and understend them. Without much effort or trying. It just came along. I do not fear attachment; I do not fear detachment. And I also have no need to present any evidence. I proved to myself what I doubted. I do not require confirmations. Spirituality helped me understand a lot of stuff. Helped me see my own steps more clearly. Helped me heal wounds. Helped me see myself. But all of it occured within stillness. Within the nothingness. I know myself as a creator. As both nothing and everything. I do not care if it is true or not. I cannot be anything else but the creator; the artist. I consciously choose that. Am I attached to that label? Do I identify with it? Yes. And totally not. Love.

To me, this is deja vu: Out of nowhere I get a sudden feeling of remembering this exact moment happening to me before. There is no real remembering tho. And no before. I was just fully aware of the moment in "real time". As I created it. Right now. When the mind tries to grasp this in retrospect, it labels it as "deja vu".

Hello @Giulio Bevilacqua Take a deep breath. You have planty of time to decide. 8 months is long period. No need for rush. You might wanna let some air in that mind; create some space. The answear to all your concerns is in there; but you know that already. Just calm down and let the answear come to you. Ask yourself; "what is the thing that will bring me the highest fulfillment? What will make me wake up each morning bursting with energy and willpower? What is that which will color my life, instead of drain it? What is my deepest passion and intention?" It sounds like you are on a crossroad. I know how it feels. Been there a few times myself. I had to decide between a pretty decant job and my passion...which is music. I followed the hearth and it worked out for me just fine. Again. Breathe. You got this.

@Joseph Maynor Seems like you have a lot of work going on Cool system. @Arthur How is any path not conceptual? There is nowhere to go, nothing to achieve. You and me; we cannot possibly know how enlightened the master really is. We just see an old guy in lotus position, talking about enlightenment. He is an appearance. Knowing everything about enlightenment does not equal actual enlightenment. It may be good to know to explain certain things; but it also may be completely useless. That depends on the nature of the path, I guess. Which is conceptual Don't think the tree is not enlightened just because it is unable to explain everything about it. Altough if you listen carefully; it might as well do just that

Cool guy; kinda repetitive tho. I resonate more with his good buddy Victor Oddo. Used to watch his videos often. Both do their own thing. They may be far from hardcore nondualistic teachings; but they are both great for those who are yet on the begining of their journey. Good vibes.

If you see a room only; that is the whole universe. And you are it.

@Nahm ♥️ ?

@Nahm And it's kickass I see where you're going tho. Thanks.

@Anton Rogachevski This is all just a delusion anyways

All there is has the idea of Ivan. Ivan has the idea of all there is. Ivan is all there is, yet Ivan is not at all. Now what?

@bejapuskas I do not need to transcend the idea. I created the idea

@Nahm The idea of an individual called Ivan exists within all there is.

@Nahm There might be an idea of two things. But they are one in actuality. They coexist. The conceptual is within the actual. In that way; it is it.

@Nahm I am both simultaniously. Both Ivan and all there is. Both nothing and everything. It's miraculous. Impossible. The idea of a seperate self is happening within all there is too. That is how there is no separation. An idea of a "part" may exist, but it can never separate itself from all there is. All happens now and now only.

All there is is all there is; which implies the character is a part of it as well. There is an I. It is transparent. Ever-changing. Just like all there is. No separation between anything.

All there is.

@Nahm Over here, right now; yeah. It might be different somewhere else.