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@Emerald if you look deep enough and open your mind you will see the truth in what he is saying. This is deep stuff and takes a lot of unraveling of the self to see it.

That has nothing to do with the present. That's what got him into trouble jumping to conclusions.....there is zero evidence of a conspiracy here. The stuff he was sending me were from people talking from a place of their OWN political bias. But he was sure all over that. When I'm sure if we provided the equal type of stuff on Russiagate he would have balked at it. Do you sense a political agenda here?

@whoareyou i think he was spreading ideology because he flipped flopped. When it came to Russiagate he was anti-conspiracy, but when it came to the DNC he was all over a conspiracy without giving things enough time. So it brought to light that he had a political agenda on here. At first it seemed he was being unbiased about Russiagate but now i am rethinking that he was not seeing Russiagate thru an unbiased lens based on how fast he flip flopped. Its not an easy job to police on here, and judgement calls are made. But i wouldn't underestimate Leo's ability to see this stuff. He saw it before i did. And you still don't see it.

@remember this is a perfect example of the point i was trying to make. Now you have stuff coming out about a Trump conspiracy. It's total chaos being stirred up purely through peoples political bias. I wouldn't get caught up in more conspiracy theory at this point - whether its Trump or the DNC...simply let things unfold, as we have been saying.

@Bno the fact is...even though personally i feel there is no validity to Russiagate - that doesn't mean that both of US aren't wrong. So i don't see this urgency for him to come out and state he is wrong that you are seeing. It seems like you are specifically targeting him for your own bias reasons not for his credibility. Let him worry about his credibility.

Ok - lets clear up this confusion right here then - i don't agree that there is any validity to Russiagate. Does that make you feel better? I've known you from the forum for a while now - it seems you are hellbent on pointing out Leo's faults... Leo is a human being like the rest of us. He has admitted before that he has his own biases that he is working through. He aint perfect. None of us are. You guys shouldn't put him on a pedestal to begin with.

@Bno i just don't see enough here. I looked at the nikola thread and yeah, if the app was malfunctioning early on then there would have been issues. But those were corrected and if you noticed the voting became deadlocked. I think if there was malicious intent we wouldn't have seen a basic tie. I think it was 3 votes off at one point? Do they even know who won? It just seems if they put that much time into planning this that they would not have made it so close - that wouldn't be worth the risk - would take too much effort, and honestly i think it would be giving them way too much credit. But ill continue to follow along.

I can see where it would appear that way but I'm saying just slow down before jumping to conclusions and that's all Leo said too. No one said it isn't possible. As far as Russiagate i was actually with you in terms of wanting evidence. Thats why i never got involved in those threads. I just observed and at the time i thought you were spot on in not having bias there.... I don't identify with any party. I am odd in that i have no political identity whatsoever. I think that's a good thing because i don't have any bias. I just am now seeing bias in you towards Trump because of how you are behaving on this thread - so it's making me rethink that you were seeing Russiagate through an unbiased lens. And so far i cant make that same conclusion on evidence here that you are making. I'm gonna take more time to look at it and we have to see how things play out.

Once someone hits stage turquoise (even if its just spirituality) they're a mystic. They realize they are there own authority. So they aren't really gonna need spiritual teachings from another mystic. They will do their own spiritual exploration. (I'm talking only in a spiritual context now)

@Bno seems like you have your panties in a wad over your own ego being bruised dude. You are sooo anti-conspiracy when it comes to Russiagate stating you want solid proof and a full investigation -on and on and on - yet you will just jump off and get on the bandwagon of a conspiracy theory here over something that just happened?? LOL. I think its you that has to come clean that maybe your just on here to stir up a bunch of conspiracy crap with no proof and proclaiming its the absolute truth - then on Trump who you clearly closet support (deep down) you completely do a 180 and play the opposite role. No, i don't think Leo has to admit anything here. I think the hypocrisy stinks from your direction.

I read it but it was nothing new. It was already stated here in this thread that there were possible financial ties between the company that made the app and Buttigieg's campaign. It doesn't prove anything. Its one thing to say that and its another to say Seth set it all up and conspired with Shadow to purposely rig the app. You said more evidence was emerging but that would take some real time if there is even going to be an investigation. For something like this i don't think there is gonna be. It doesn't seem like it would even warrant one once they verify the voting results are valid - as they normally do.

How is this evidence? The democratic party chairman stated he was having cybersecurity looking into the failed app but that no details were yet available. So this is just more conspiracy theory.

Well you kinda did put it out there - just indirectly. If there weren't doubts in your mind you probably wouldn't have posted it at all. It was the concern for the fact that the Buttigieg camp had a vested interest in the company that put out the app. So that and other things stimulated your speculation and hence your post. Those are valid concerns. But i digress because to your point you did mention that it was just speculation at this juncture and that it could indeed be coincidental.. And as i said i agree it is wise to contemplate all possibilities and be vigilant. Whether it is a conspiracy theory though, is valid here as it is relative - Because it is a theory that a certain group of people are conspiring and masterminding an intricate plan to rig voting, when its more probable that in this case it was just a bug. Since there is no real evidence yet - saying it was a bug can be considered more probable here than a a group of people masterminding a plan for political motivation... Note - it can be considered more probable at this time. Its relative. Therefore to call it a conspiracy theory is valid.

Really?! So now you are able to read minds too? ❤?

Just be wary not to blur the line between thinking its possible and thinking its actual without substantial evidence.

There is nothing wrong with speculation...i don't think anyone here is close minded to the possibility of corruption. So i agree its important to contemplate either possibility. It simply seemed the tone of the thread was leaning towards corruption being an absolute in this case and that just can't be stated at this time. So jumping to conclusions would be premature.

@Bno or someone jumping to conclusions and seeing what they wanna see........

Whether i do or not is irrelevant if we are talking about speculation vs evidence of anything. That was the point i was making.

Guys i read through the entire thread and i don't see any evidence here. This is all speculation. I'm in the IT field and i see bugs in systems developed from billion dollar companies all the time. The statements provided as evidence are just other people stating their opinions. To be completely unbiased is to really not make any judgements at this time. It doesn't even matter what the DNC did or didn't do in the past.

Death is imaginary so it is really just a shift in consciousness from form to formless. So i mean a mystical non-dual state of consciousness is God mode. There is only the Self so the avatar (finite form) is dead. But when consciousness shifts back to the avatar it is like being reborn again - yes. That's why there is ego backlash and the like. Leo has hit these states so many times there is probably no backlash for him at this point.

@whoareyou we are talking about newcomers to spirituality. I can't speak for Leo but it seems fairly evident to me that he has died many times. For him its not about awakening. Far beyond. Its about exploration - as a scientist would explore the universe and find endless new things because its infinite. There is infinite exploration into consciousness available. So lets make sure we are all on the same page here. These are two different things. And of course one can have relative opinions on Consciousness exploration. If you are awake and done - hey that's great. But being awake myself i see no problem with someone continuing Consciousness exploration and being a Consciousness pioneer heheh. Very few on the planet are awake right now relatively speaking, so this is new territory.

Yep - Notice how if you aren't thinking about something it literally ceases to exist for you...notice i said for you...don't fall into the solipsism trap... but this a finite taste of what Infinite Mind is. If Infinite Mind isn't imagining it , it exists only as pure potential. But your mind is finite. You're a finitude of Infinity

Your intuition and direct experiences are showing you Truth. There is only Consciousness. Reality is a Mind. And it has partitioned itself. All of physical reality is held within consciousness. There is only consciousness. It is a massive mindfuck when one has this realization for the first time and the materialist paradigm shatters and melts away. Be prepared for a whole lot more mindfucks too.

Go with your heart brother - afterall you are Love :)❤

"I'm not doing the 'work' because decades ago I have awakened to the realization there is nothing to do, no work, no accomplishment to achieve and no truth to attain." Dude this topic is so old already. One has to die before they as God realize that which died was an idea in the Mind of God. But telling a newbie they are an idea and that they are God without them dying first isn't helping anyone. This is like beating a dead horse with you guys proclaiming there is nothing to die. There is nothing to die after it dies. Reality is a strange loop and a paradox as it must be because it is One. So there is an idea that has to die. You said it yourself in another thread. The ego exists but it exists as imagination. Spontaneous awakenings or deaths dont just happen unless one is crazy gifted and even then they probably endured a lot of suffering and selfishness and were on the brink of death anyway before it happened. Others did contemplation or meditation. Don't tell me you just realized it and that was that. If you are awake that means your avatar has died and you are directly conscious that you are God. That's fine. But don't tell me it just happened out of nowhere one day. Contemplation is considered practice. I meditated for about a week before it happened on no pyschedelics but I'm a freak apparently. And i have OCD and suffered greatly thru my own selfishness.