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No they don't contradict and you don't need to do both simultaneously because there aren't two things. Through meditation you can realize the Self - and you can reach states of consciousnes that are omniscient. I don't like creating a duality between "classical awakening" as being where meditation can't get you to the Godhead. It most certainly can. It's not limited to no mind/void and nothingness/no self realizations. Through no mind meditation you can actually go full circle into God Consciousness and omniscience. Shutting down the mind into Pure Actuality is the portal to Infinite Mind. Now.....all of that said - I agree with Leo that reaching these states through meditation is rare. Hardly anyone does it..I meditated for two weeks - perhaps even less than that. So if you are two years into the work then I would look at leveraging all of the tools within your tool belt.. But even with powerful psychedelics I feel that you need to be at a baseline state where you are mature enough.

@OneIntoOne the path typically commences with first becoming conscious directly that what you thought you were - an entity behind the eyes - was just a fiction. This is the realization of no self. This is a state of satori or a non-dual state. It is quite profound and may be preceded by smaller glimpses or mystical experiences - which can also be non-dual states. When the self is dissolved there can be the realization of Self. It may happen in the same awakening but may also happen in another awakening. When God begins to wake up there is usually a flurry of awakenings and mystical experiences. So yes I would commence with self inquiry, do nothing meditation, and concentration meditation and other tools which can lead to a state of satori and ultimately the realization of no-self. This is not a conceptual realization but it is actual. Since everything is Consciousness, becoming conscious that what you believed you were was a fiction, will actually result in the falling away of that belief and becoming Pure Consciousness itself.

You can never know something totally until you become it. So you have to be at the level of Being which requires awakening. Knowing is 2nd order...knowing something conceptually is a finite or partial form of Being. The duality of knowing and being can be collapsed into Being. So Being is knowing but is also much more than that! It's infinity!

Because when you have the awakening where self/other collapses- your consciousness expands so much that other people are no different than the thoughts you are having now. When you think of a unicorn obviously you can tell it is only in your mind. It's the same feeling with this it is just with everything...the mind expands to include everything else....right now the state of consciousness is purposely lower so that there is an apparent separation between self and other. It will really freak you out when it happens but there will be no denying it or escaping it.

Supposedly - but it seems no one is getting enlightened.

Gotchya. Yah. God Consciousness. Omniscience. It's all within your grasp

Isness is Total, thus much more satisfying then seeing something partial like a face... Infinity has a self reference problem - it cannot reach outside of itself to see itself because there is nothing outside of it. But it IS itself!! And that my friend, is Infinite Love! Who needs to see something partial when they got the whole thing? No, they ARE the whole thing

An eye cannot see itself- it simply IS itself ?

Nice insight. Here's a mindfuck...yes you can. Your hand IS your face! There is no difference other than in your imagination haha.

@Terell Kirby good work ?

Indeed!!

If you go deep enough you can see that this starts to break down. Because if "you" were to have an awakening in which there was the collapse all dualities you will be totally One. His consciousness wouldn't then collapse into yours if he was actually separate from you. It would if he was never separate from you to begin with but rather there was only the illusion of separation. @AdamR95 good insights yeah Infinity will skullfuck you

@yannick very messed up man. I read a few of the testimonials on the website.- the 2nd one was something..it seems like there is definitely mind control and manipulation going on there...and the dude seems like a wacked out narcissist lost in his own world. Good job getting your ass out of there.

That is the proper way to approach this As long as you have that type of mindset where you don't just take our word for anything..because then it can sneakily turn into a belief. But yes, self/other is a duality that can collapse with an awakening.

Yes It's the unified understanding that it is all One. The desire for Mahāsamādhi is still creating a duality. But awakening in itself is not an illusion. Rather it is realizing that the "dream" is Absolute Truth .

That is false. You can fully awaken from the dream without harming the physical body. There is nowhere to go but back into the dream, but you can fully awaken.

Yes that's why I placed it in the relative because the specific things that matter are directly relative to that finite being and what matters to that finite beings survival. In this case his mother's death would most likely pain him deeply and have widespread consequences on his own survival and well being. Notice this isn't a problem it's a feature. On An Absolute level it is all Absolute Love because there is no difference between anything as reality is Infinite and Selfless with a complete lack of bias towards anything because it is all things and there is nothing that can be outside of it.

That means you are choosing one thing over another. If it were meaningless then it would make no difference if she drowned or not..That's the point I was trying to make. I'm not debating that Absolutely speaking nothing matters I'm speaking relatively.

Are you saying its also OK to let her drown?

That's fine but that's still a meta perspective. I'm talking more literally. I'll give you an example. If your mother is drowning in a pool is it going to matter to you to go in and save her or are you just going to say nothing really matters and let her die? If you jump in and save her that's because it mattered to you.

In order for one to manipulate material reality they already have to be conscious enough to realize any other human in the world doing such things would also be their imagination. This goes very deep - and must be Total. It would take extremely radical levels of consciousness- to the point where if you could do it at all - at that point it would lose all meaning....it would be like going into developer mode on your personal video game and then going back into the game as the player. So it would mean nothing other than an entertaining experiment. You would then need to fool yourself via imagination once back as the player and forget you modified the game as the game master. Of course Leo is already at the level where he is conscious on an Absolute level that this is just his own playground so it would probably work out great. .

Yeab andl one must be careful not to conflate the relative with the Absolute. Relatively speaking things matter. As Leo pointed out, there are consequences. Things matter relatively speaking. That's an important distinction to make so that we don't misunderstand this work. And even Absolutely speaking nothing matters circles back around to Infinite Love.

Yes real/imaginary is a duality that can collapse. What this means is what is imagined is real, and what is real is imagined.....for YOU. That's the key..for you. It still seems you are thinking in terms of some objective reality. Self/Other is also a duality that can collapse. When we say these dualities collapse we are being 100% literal. So one can say - oh yeah real/imaginary and self/other are dualities..yeah got it..not a big deal. But the problem is they don't got it. If you did you would probably be on the floor whimpering over the magnitude of the realization...Collapsing these dualities happens at the level of Being not concept. And even after that these are such radical awakenings that it takes months and sometimes years to integrate. But one needs to start by doing the spiritual practices. I see you on here a lot asking questions about the most advanced topics but have you ever bothered to do the work? Things such as meditation, self inquiry, deconstruction of the mind and more specifically the materialist paradigm. It's also important to get a metaphysical foundation before you even bother trying to tackle some of these questions. It's like you are trying to put the cart before the horse. Videos in actualized catalog such as Absolute Infinity and what is perception are very good. All of this stuff connects. Feel free to PM and I can give you a list of some of the ones I recommend specifically for helping you awake.

Quote of the century

Like you said before - it's all just One. The finger is the hand Form is formlessness