Consilience

Actualized black pill video! Would love to listen to Leo tearing into them and then relating it to God and Infinite Love at the end?

? Equally, if a mind can‘t comfortably navigate competing, sometimes outright paradoxical positions, this is a huge sign the ego has built a conceptual self structure out of the new position. If a mind can’t understand the relativity, wisdom, and unity of these competing and paradoxical positions, it’s due to a lack of clear seeing and a lack of fluidity with the self structure. A self with more fluidity is easier to see clearly and to notice unconscious blind spots. The seeing through ALL points of view in a simultaneous integration of ALL points of view is the activity of a powerful mind, and the quality of an awakened consciousness.

When you are conscious of that which is not time, not space, not perception, that is no self. That is the self. It is literally not everything yet is the context out of which everything arises out of and passes into, and therefore is inextricably connected to everything, and due to the nature of such a unified inextricability, IS everything. For me, id recommend being able to reliably access deep states of formlessness, and letting it guide you into the absolute, which is qualitatively different than formlessness, yet is infinite nothing. It is more formless than formless states. Confusing these formless states + unconsciously reifying these types of ‘unrelenting non-duality’ talks = conceptual no self. Can happen even without the access to formless states of consciousness, as with what happened in my case. All this to say, THIS *is* it, but god damn is IT subtle and no easy feat to truly grasp. But hey, the only time become enlightened is right now so go for it ?

Took me a few reads but das it mayne ??

@Raptorsin7 @The0Self @OneIntoOne So yeah that’s the thing! She seems to be speaking from experience and the message is extremely on point from a very raw, unfiltered, and authentic point of view. But for me, I can only recognize it after shitloads of relative practices, such as rigorous mindfulness, self inquiry, tripping, etc. Early on during my heavy seeking period, this stuff just never clicked. And I actually for a period observed myself creating a conceptual no-self self because of listening to more direct teachings like these, which was a very tricky beast to see through.

“I don’t like it” because it doesn’t represent “my” path at all, so there’s an immediate recognition of its limitations relative to “my” path. It’s very unhelpful, un-precise, and easily co-opted by the ego towards reifying a ‘no self’ self image and spiritual bypassing. The possibility for self deception via uncompromising non-duality is huge. Hopefully it provides genuine help for some, given the popularity of these types of channels.

Leo’s never claimed the goal is to transcend, but to understand. If you watch more you’ll know this. Furthermore, there is the possibility for transcendence, at least degrees of transcendence. Buddhism 101, classic spiritual model, is about transcending suffering. The only way to fully express one’s humanity is by transcending one’s humanity. Transcendence is not a denial, as you seem to implicitly imply, but is instead a full embracing of the actuality of whatever is true. You are not a human, you are pure consciousness. In order to actualize your humanity or “to be a human” you need to be grounded in what is true. How could you live with honesty, integrity, compassion or wisdom if you’re operating from delusion, self deception, and more directly, lies? This work is about Self Actualization. To actualize who you are, you first must know what you are.

That’s cold. Ice cold. Appreciate you Leo. Those of us who are serious about this work sincerely appreciate you. Keep going man. ?

Realm of Infinite Space - 5th Jhana: https://dharmaseed.org/talks/60883/ May be fun to start here, but it would be more useful to review the other recordings and build your way up. Hope this helps.

Can confirm. Self inquiry after learning how to access jhanas became exponentially more powerful.

Ive mentioned this in multiple other threads, but Ill mention it here too because of how powerful this series of talks is, but anyone interested in learning how to access all 8 jhanas should look into Rob Burbea’s Jhana retreat on Dharmaseed.

I know it’s probably a bad idea to start the whole spiritual dick measuring contest, but very curious - where would you place someone like Peter Ralston compared to these guys or Leo?

@Blackhawk You’re grasping man. You either see the wisdom in what Im proposing or you don’t. Given that you’re evening asking these questions, it’s obvious there’s some part of you that resonates with what this work presents as a possibility. Trust that curiosity, in this life or another. Namaste ?

How is paying attention to your moment by moment experience going to brain wash you? This is not about adding beliefs, ideologies, positions, or contexts. This is about removing those and looking at reality with a ‘naked’ lens. See this is a classic trap of the ego. So sure if you think this work is about adding more to the mind, like religion, then yes the possibility for brain washing is there. But this work Im proposing is literally about paying attention at deeper and deeper levels, paying attention so deeply you see through your existential assumptions such as time or space. Not to get too into the weeds but Ill point something out - a sense of self requires time to exist. You are only you relative to how you were a moment ago, and who you will be in another moment, and between these two conceptualizations of mind, a mirage of “me” appears. Yet when you’re paying so closely to your actual direct experience, ir can be observed that there is no such thing as past or future. When this illusion of past and future is EXPERIENCED not believed, part of the conceptual scaffolding holding a sense of self collapses. This is one of many mechanisms creating you though. More generally, imagine a smudged camera lens taking a picture vs. a lens that‘s just been cleaned. Which one will have a clearer view? Through spiritual practices such as meditation or contemplation, we are creating a mind capable of seeing more clearly. If you think you can trust the programming your parents, culture, and society handed to you growing up, there’s not much I can do for you. Perhaps noticing how miserable and dysfunctional everyone is could be an eye opener into the possibility no one really understands what’s going on. Perhaps not.

Experience interpreted through unconscious beliefs and fabrications gives rise to the appearance of this illusion. Look more carefully. Look for hours and hours and hours. Thousands of hours and this belief, along with many others, will fade. Good luck dude.

Because when one follows the philosophical inquiry deeply enough, the logical holes in option A can be recognized. Further, when one studies the actuality of direct experience, the truth of option B reveals itself. And finally, when one observes the embodiment of wisdom, compassion, and presence of apparently enlightened individuals compared to the average person, the possibility that these people know something we don’t sets in. These are a few reasons.

If people get triggered or weirded out by your meditation, that’s on them not you. There’s nothing non-polite about practicing in a park, that’s like the perfect place to practice meditation. @RMQualtrough if people approach you, just be friendly and understand that may be their first exposure to a real practitioner. You may be planting seeds for them to practice one day, or turn them off completely. But your emptiness, tranquility, and presence while practicing can be a powerful teaching tool for others.

The fact that you’re breaking through at all is huge though, seriously. It may take a bit of time to fully stabilize and even deepen, but even if it took 1-3 years (worst case), what’s 1-3 years in a lifetime? Id HIGHLY recommend a meditation retreat of some kind. Not only would you likely breakthrough into this level of insight, you’d probably break through even more deeply.

Ive had trouble getting over his cigar schtick ? But sounds like I should give him a fair shot.

Shoutout to Rob Burbea’s Jhana retreat on Dharmaseed! Those lectures changed the entire trajectory of my meditation practice.

Very nice ? The next step is stabilizing this view in meditation as well as everyday life.

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I don‘t think you understood my question. How long can you sit in meditation without moving? It‘s more than 5 seconds. Im asking because Im curious at what point would the pain become overwhelming and you move? Being an arahant, you’d theoretically have the capacity to sit for many hours at a time without any issues, despite enormous amounts of pain.

Your feelings are literally arising out of and passing back into emptiness, moment by moment. Emptiness = God. It seems you have a lot of conceptual ideas of what God is, but this wont do. I would recommend a hardcore meditation practice and deeply studying many mystical/contemplative traditions and what they have to say about the ultimate nature of reality.

Why not? Wouldn’t learning how to be completely, perfectly, and intrinsically fulfilled from your own being, from nothing other than the fact of your own existence, be the ultimate root solution to loneliness?