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Yeah I asked for that exact thing.... No replies ?

You can kiss feet in love and gratitude, or you can kiss feet because you think it will get you something. Osho can't help which one happens, so both are allowed.

I think the better question is : does a personality and set of memories and experiences get uploaded to 'the cloud' after death of the body? Or dissapate to make way for something new? They say that if you can stay conscious during the death experience this may happen, and it takes a lifetime of consciousness work to achieve that

I love breathing videos but they never last long enough. 20 - 40 minutes would be great

Lol I like how you created a loop between the two threads

The past exists in thoughts, (memory) and the future exists in fantasy (thought). This is very easy to see, but doesn't help explain how, for example, I stub my toe earlier, and it's red and throbbing now ?‍♂️

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Because the forum it is in is so active that threads fall off the page sometimes the same day. It's hard to connect with other dream workers that way. If it had its own forum the threads would be easy to find and reply to. And like field of dreams, 'if you build it, they will come'

No my discipline sucks. But I have good dream recall. Yes dreams can be used for shadow work, unraveling the subconscious, etc. Some have even had nondual experience in dreams.

We need a new subforum for dream work but there's so little interest on this forum for whatever reason.... A forum that's main focus is consciousness work.... ?‍♂️

@Beginner Mind It makes you wonder if the entire transition to living consciously is a conscious effort... Or maybe it just makes a great story

The thing is, that's so far off it's not even worth fantasizing about... Let's be practical in what can help us now. Yes in this scenario we would no longer be living in fear and closer to our true nature. But current human nature is tied to the ego and unconscious behavior. Luckily you don't have to wait for a fantasy scenario to see your way out of this. Yes you can relax in the truth that your previous actions had no actor. But don't try too hard to justify your actions because you will still have to face them. They are both yours and not yours simultaneously

To start, this is not a thread to debate on the existence of Jesus. It is highly possible that any stories about him are coded allegories which either was meant to be decoded, or just hearing the stories unlocks something in the subconscious. Whichever is true, you have to admit he said some pretty cool things! I'll add more each time I find one, and the second post will be edited for every update. Please add any that you find interesting... @Bill W @jbram2002 @mandyjw

@Beginner Mind Yeah...such a society would be completly foreign and alien to us, but could possibly be the One we are evolving into. I like your forward thinking.... Such a society we often think of as a utopia, but if we truly examine it, it's like all the fun will be sucked out of life. It sounds really happy and great, but kind of boring. And it'd be interesting to see how they would think of us. If they even remember us.

Haha that got zero likes on my Facebook page

Just do what feels natural. Why fight it? If it feels natural to you to act as if we make choices, then do that. BTW, it's what feels natural to me, too...

Leo beat me to blood work, but also check for b vitamins and vitamin D levels. I would also ask doctor about chronic fatigue syndrome. If you are male, get your testosterone levels checked. Also, I recently started using a protein shake/meal replacement powder that will eliminate your need to eat better in the morning. You don't want just any crap you get from the store. Research online which is the best for you, or I can send you a link to what I ordered. If you aren't already drinking coffee... Don't! At least wait to try that until you exhaust all other suggestions on this thread. Coffee is a slippery slope and very addictive

You do and you don't. Live from both perspectives. Face yourself and the choices you have made, meanwhile relax in the fact that these happenings were unconscious, and completely the natural order of things, and no one is responsible.

@Beginner Mind if you live unconsciously, then your actions will be unconscious and autonomous, even though there is an illusion that you are doing these things. When you live consciously your actions will be your choice and not slave to unconscious behaviors. And after all that there may be an even deeper truth that noone is making these choices, and then another that You were after all. There's no simple way of talking about this, so the answers you get from this question will be all over the place.

@Ero Have you ever stepped inside a dream? In other words going from the waking state straight into a dream? It's kind of life changing. The walls that separate each "reality" are much thinner than we think

Those who are in touch with their nightly dreaming experiences, will begin to notice many correlations to this and their waking lives, what we call THIS.... all of THIS that IS appearing we call reality, and distinctly distinguish it from our nightly dreams. This is the huge trap of humanity throughout its history, and it is a mistake to assume that it is not all ONE and the same. We need to ? stop ? discarding the dreaming life as secondary. What a ignorant assumption that either reality is real! We (humanity) don't even know what real is! And yet, dreams are a bit distinct, and although they are appearing as THIS, they also serve as a beautiful reflection of what IS. An awesome guide. Completely free....unless you count the necessary dream work as payment. This thread is about how dreams and waking IS the SAME, and how dreams are a beautiful reflection of THIS (being THIS at the same time) and how this reflection is the most beautiful art. Please note that I am not saying that 'dream' is what THIS is. It is a beautiful art that is a pointer to what THIS IS. Perhaps nothing more. So first let's get it all out of the way, ways in which dream life if different than waking life: The laws of physics only apply when it serves the story. Beyond that, they are fair game. Time is only linear when it serves the story. Identification is only with the dream self when it serves the story. Memory and continuity is fluid, and completely serves the story. Do you see a trend here? You can probably say this about many aspects of dreaming life, so I'll let you discover those for yourself. Now, to the good stuff. Ways in which dreaming is a reflection of waking life. (not saying they are separate experiences, just that they are paradoxically the same and different, together. We'll start with the easiest to spot. The experience is exactly the same between both 'worlds'. In waking life, we experience with our senses : sight, hearing, taste, touch, and smell - - and emotions. In other words, we experience in thought. In dreaming life, we also experience with our five senses and emotions. These senses tend to be a bit muted from waking life, which understandably creates the illusion that they are lesser than. However I propose that they are not lesser, but transcendental of our waking senses, in a 'world' where physics only serve the story. At other times the senses are more heightened than in waking life, and again, you could probably say it's because it serves the story. Everything IS consciousness. If I hadn't been a vivid dreamer / oneironaut (lucid dreamer with the intent of self discovery), I don't think I could have ever understood this saying which is often mentioned on this site and many others. Outside of some enlightenment realization (or Remembering Self) I really don't see how this could have been fathomed in my mind. But dreaming is the perfect teacher for this. Especially when lucid dreaming, you can really walk around basking in your own divine(?) consciousness, interacting with objects and speaking to dream characters, all the while knowing that this is all you. Everthing appears as separate, otherwise there would be no story. But nothing is separate, and it's absolutely undeniable. No woo-woo necessary. Any esteemed scientist will tell you this. Of course they won't take it as far as describing waking life. Dreams are paths to self discovery. Waking life contains many paths to self discovery. Dream as art. (From https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-arthistory/chapter/what-is-art/) Art may be characterized in terms of mimesis (its representation of reality), expression, communication of emotion, or other qualities.... (sounds like dreams to me... The principles of art include movement, unity, harmony, variety, balance, contrast, proportion and pattern. The elements include texture, form, space, shape, color, value and line.... (interesting how these words can also be used to describe experience, aka waking life and dreaming life) art therapy is generally understood as a form of therapy that uses art media as its primary mode of communication.... (literally, the dream is therapy, and uses the media (the dream) as mode of communication.) Art, in its broadest sense, is a form of communication. It means whatever the artist intends it to mean, and this meaning is shaped by the materials, techniques, and forms it makes use of, as well as the ideas and feelings it creates in its viewers . Art is an act of expressing feelings, thoughts, and observations....(sounds like dreams to me) 5. To expand on number 2, dream characters are very diverse and seemingly intelligent. When not lucid, we mistake these characters as real people and all the fear emotions manifest in dire situations. When lucid, you realize these characters are yourself, and whether you fear yourself is up to you. This exact description has been said of becoming enlightened by many. As if enlightenment is equivalent to becoming lucid in a dream. I will add more to this list as they arise. Please feel free to add your own ideas well. Sweet dreams!

Perhaps one of the issues is that you are trying to feel love. What does it feel like? You mentioned that you have felt bliss, but are you mistaking blissful feelings for feeling love? Perhaps love induces blissful feelings, sure. But love is love. It doesn't need you to feel anything.

I kept waiting for the rudeness... you seem to be really bad at it.

Does this have to do with, for example, the types of thoughts humans perceive is why I would pick up a toothbrush and clean my teeth, as opposed to a dog who could care less if theirs are rotting and falling out?