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@Arthur that's just a thought or a projection that you're having about what that state maybe like as described by others the best way i can say is that it simply means being the entire experience - like peering thru a VR headset and seeing all of what is inside. which includes the 1st per point of view looking out. but all of that would = ONE experience that's simply what being ONE with everything or being the entire universe means the mind thinks it would be something cool/outta this world but it's simply just that ONE experience

yesterday after having a mini joint of w33d, i went into this brief state in which none of the visual/overall experience changed... but it all changed... the best way i can now put it to myself is like all of a sudden being inside of a VR video - except much more deeply (with all 5 senses involved) it was from a place of watching at first... "I" did not notice it... it was rather when "I" noticed that I am in that state... the "am in the state" became "was in that state" I now get why it is said any movement/thought takes you out of it my mind wanted to say/shout/exclaim WOW! and investigate that state and how I got there but any "doing" of that sort took me out of it yet while i was in that state, i sort of understood/noticed/realized that i am in it - without having the need to think about it it was amazing! i'm sure any of you who has had a non-dual experience would know what I am talking about i also have some questions the state did not feel like what I would call "infinte bliss" or "infinte love" i still had a sense of a body in that - i did not disassociate with my body in that moment. i did realize though that I am all of the expereince - with a focal point of view stemming from the body i did not have an experience of death to reach this state i kinda melted into that state i am not asking for or wishing that i go thru the ego death process or torture before arriving in that state again - i am just rather questioning that it was effortless for me... i guess having read up on so many things kinda places different checkpoints in your mind you feel like you will have to go thru to get to that state and that is why there is beauty in "ignorance is bliss" however, i feel that the subtleness of that state for the ones who arent aware of it. will miss it. they will be in that state as much as you might be. but since that concept is so impossible for them, they will miss it.. they DO miss it. anytime someone is watching a movie or an intense sport. you're fully into that experieince. that's no different than a non-dual state it really is so simple now. i am wanting to get back to that state but i know I cannot get there i can desire to get there but i cannot try to get there trying to get there = not getting there action = blocking the entrance MELT INTO IT SLEEP INTO IT DO WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO TO FALL ASLEEP - NOTHING! You let go and go into that state though again, note that i was under the influence of the ganja which may have helped but i think repeatedly going back in that state will help me build that state up. as mooji says: marinate in that oneness <3 and i can also see how letting go of my ego attachments will make me closer and closer to that state all about surrderinding and not minding what happens and accepting all that is <3 <3 <3 love you all I LOVE ME there is no I, so LOVE ME but there is also no me... so just LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE <3

<3 <3 <3 indeed. also. unsure if this

another thing which resonates deeply and also leaves me in awe is this Osho says in some of his videos that his "meditation is not disturbed" by "his" actions, talking, doing that's what it means to abide in that state, to remain in that deep meditative state. for me.. just the thought or the quick "aaha" about being in that state or recognizing it made me lose it... i see now the work that needs to be done so that state can be attained and retained longer and then eventually kinda laying back so that life just happens on its own how amazing would that be indeed! and i think it's actually this : before enlightenment chop wood carry water - after enlightenment being aware that wood is being chopped and being aware that water is being carried i havent been a very strong and a practicing mediator but i am sure many who try to meditate and have done so longer than i have MUST have missed this simple state which is the ultimate goal of meditation. it would seem so many mediators are searching for IT yet it's way to subtle to be found that way...

Hope Leo attends and gives a lecture with QnA format

"how do i get rid of the belief that something's wrong with me?" stop giving weight to this belief. forcing it out of you. faking this belief that all's well until it gets / starts to feel better.

Beautiful. /Thread.

@tentacion simple look at a non-tripping example an optical illusion you remember that "The Dress" meme a couple of years back some saw the colors gold and white and others saw blue and black how do you explain that? the truth is. it's all relative it's just different point of views all are true for the observer who is seeing it as such click the TRUTH link in my signature to understand this.

that's what ego death does from LSD/Ayushcha/DMT - whichever way you have ego death or a breakthrough dose. you remember and come back to this current adult life. you are literally reborn but with the knowledge you can now better remember because you are not a baby being born but an adult being reborn. thats why so many people after breakthrough dose have a life change because they now "get it"

@Your place at Heart exactly. agreed 100% with what you said. all teachings are contemporary ...

@Edogowa Conan There is no single true religion You don't yet understand what exactly prophet Muhammad was... You and I can also reach that level of awareness by the grace of God and if you're willing to put in the work So all many religions... You want the truth? You can say the religions are different paths to the same destination. Which path is more true vs the other? Doesn't matter. All point to the same destination. It's a different method of solving a problem Or like having a different name in each language for the same object Example , car In Urdu it is gaari In Arabic it is siaara You get the point I understand what you mean when u say Islam is the truth. I am a Muslim so I tell you this... That isn't the right question to ask. As you are here on this forum, I invite you to explore and expand you awareness. You vein here already means you're not like a typical Muslim What you also will realize you did not need to become a non-muslim per say.. anyways. Best of luck

Here's a mind eff Just like when you sit in silence and then there is any sound around you... Your ears pick up the sound and you hear it If there is a scent. Ur nose smells it Whatever appears in front of your eyes you see it You sense your body as it sits down, you feel it etc Now. This is hard to grasp But this is the reality of it THOUGHTS. Whatever that is. They also appear IN THE EXACT same way something might appear in your vision as you sit in a park. A bird for example. Did you "cause" or create that bird and then saw it? No. You just became aware of it Same way. Thoughts appear. What we say, do, think about Just appears All your mind does is sense these thoughts and you become aware of them. Sure the mistake we all make and continue to make is association with the thought because it feels closer than close and is different compared to the rest of the senses. Its the Same as you do with becoming aware of sound Aware of sight Smell Taste Feel/sense It is difficult to understand because of the intimate nature of thought... Occurring "inside" us... Like in "my head" And of course there is the feeling of controlling what I am thinking about and deciding , choosing etc KNOW THAT IT IS APPARENT. Meaning it appears to be that way. When you meditate long nuff. U start to see that thougts just stream and appear. Out of your control. You merely are observing them.

This can be very tricky One thing you have to understand that this is the LAW of attraction. To compare, take in the LAW of gravity. You do not know what the understood mechanic/physics of general relativity by Einstein yet the gravity also applied to you. Same way, the LAW of attraction is always in motion. You literally create your whole experience/world around you. Most of it is via you sub-consious... Now it is not as simple as wanting something, deeply thinking about it and then boom you get it... It's much more complex than that, you're trying here to figure out something which is already in play... Trying to hack it so to speak will be a challenge... Sure that joint on the ground was law of attraction in play. But will it happen this way every time? Likely not... However notice when it does happen, that splash of emotion you feel in your gut, that confirmation that you receive... Notice how powerful that is That's why people say that start with something minor and as you build your skill by getting that manifest for you in reality. Your skill/strength will build up allowing you to do it more effectively and understandably. So those videos may seem cringy (they can be if one doesn't believe in it or has no experience about this) but those videos are guiding you correctly Check em out. Start applying. It's not an overnight thing. Keep that in mind. @Andre Quinonez

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I'm a Muslim. I can't speak for the masses but I can tell you this. Most prayer is done with recitation of the same verses. In Arabic. Majority of the Muslim don't even know what the words mean. They have it memorized. It's a quick blind activity for most. Even those who commit n prayer 5 times a day and haven't missed a day Their awareness will have been the same as it was 10-20 years ago They do the practice thinking the practice itself is giving them positive points of good deed n offset any sin points. That's the prayer in action in a nut shell for you Now looking back, I truly feel that if this practice is done mindfully then it's amazing. You get the excersice (yoga-arab style) and connection with God if done so with the right understanding and really being deeply in it and also understanding what is being said

@deci belle thank you. i agree. the more in line with true nature one is . the more effortless all the action happens.

One thing I came to know during a sit was this Any addiction one is trying to quit has to be done when the craving is here Question one should ask themselves is do I want to stop this addiction? If the answer is yes, don't do that thing in the moment when the craving arises What we tend to do (especially me) is that we tell ourselves, ok, I'll do it the last time now/today, and won't do it again after this. And this is repeated continuously Exactly this way What one needs to realize is that if they want to stop the addiction/action, then there CANNOT be a concession of a "last time". it MUST end NOW. Not the next time it arises... no more "one last time" excuse. Another thing is this, when I watch my ego with my awareness and come to see the tricks of the ego... I am able to guide myself out of that trap and not get angry or involved in the moment However, i am curious.. Is this not what you call a spiritual ego? The noticing itself is noticed .. so when I am guiding myself by watching the ego in these moments... Is that really authentic? Or this IS the way to do it? As we get more aware, we are still living as an ego but now it's less deluded? How to avoid a trap here thinking that I have finally got it .watch my thoughts... Let go... Be present, don't project or worry... Etc... All this is itself watched... Does persistence give ultimately show the glimpse from the first order point of view?

Thank you @Preetom This was great! Love it. Lol. That's one motivation to become self realized @BuddhaTree yup. That's a spin I try to work with as well. Often time that shows a loophole otherwise unseen.

@Flammable or is it rather that until "you" realize that there is ONLY ONE watcher who watches all these apparent watchers its the elusive experience of this understanding which needs to come forward somehow in your direct experience

being authentic... could that be defined loosely as any action which is reflective of the "truth" and it isn't being driven by a personal desire, want, need? not to say that one should give up those 100% from the get go. but i think this is to be applied and questioned when making a decision leading to a fork in the road. choosing the option after questioning it honestly and really seeing what is ego driven and what is more authentic..

i defintiely get great insights during my w33d highs but i think the balance between fun/spirtual work on weed for me is 50/50 the side effects of w33d which i categorize as fun include, binge eating bad food, reproductive activities and other distractions which my ego sneakily tells me is spirtual work but i tend to be all over the place and not always be contemplating looking back, i had come to the conclusion at one point that i'd get the food and other urges out of the way during the inital high and leave the remainder of it to contemplte. which was good. but then i got stuck on the process wherein weed is good for me cuz of the spirtual work so i will keep doing it. but it came with this other 50% fun baggage which is full distraction / desire / personal pleasure... gotta be careful . if you are truly being honest with yourself and use it just for spirtual work. then it's good - be aware of the sneakyness of the ego. it gets you good. aka you can delude yourself like a champ for years/months!

@deci belle @DrewNows thank you for the input and yeah, i guess it can't be helped but be this way. while the true nature is not yet realized. one has to / is always operating via ego but the degree of delusion can be lower and the degree of authenticity can be raised while working as the ego

Haven't read the full post yet but that part got me.good . The bolded/underlined part. It's like THAT is the ego right there already laying the foundation. It has to be caught of right there and then in the moment. It's almost like not writing it down because you know now that you have seen thru it more deeply, that trick won't get you anymore... It is very subtle indeed wow.

Who was aware? I was walking down a sidewalk and asked myself, who was aware of whatever occurred 10 seconds ago as I am walking. And so on, time after time The answer was felt, very briefly It's like the understanding and insights received are read/processed via the mind. Mind is a tool for the REAL SELF to witness the thoughts of the body. But the real self makes the mistake of thinking it IS the tool itself. In reality It's merely s tool to witness a certain sense thinking of the ego... peeking thru the possibilities of intelligence/understanding. But this question was a headshake for me to think about it this way. Looks like I have lost the bit of it which was very clear in the moment vs now a bit cloudy. Either way, it was a good understanding by asking the question this way. Requires the thinking back in time (in the NOW) and understood in the NOW .

@Jack River my dude!!! How do you live now? You are always Living and talking and preaching from the NOW? and even the talking/thinking/understanding you do, it's all from a place where YOU are watching and not doing anything?