Javfly33

Unfortunately this forum has become an Neo-advaita thing in disguise. Is just that the words are different. But the overall attitude of People telling themselves nice solace narratives to feel in control is the same. I don't sense real exploration from most of you guys. Thank you all for all the answers nonetheless 🙏🙌

You reply is like a reply of chatgpt + Leo famous phrases as 'truth doesn't care about you' or 'become deeply conscious of X'. I´m sorry if that is too straight forward but I think you need honesty. You are wasting your time precious time with la la land solace narratives and it seems to me you are not doing actual work. No, I´m not talking at all about psychic phenomena. No. There is only ONE LIFE. This one. Whatever you make out of this, that is what will experience. There is no such a thing as a 'TRUTH DIMENSION' where the actual truth where Happiness and Perfection exists, and meanwhile this life doesn't matter. Notice how you guys are creating the same trick Christians did with the 'Heaven'. You are thinking the work is not about making this life more profound, loving, intense, unitary, effortless, but rather that you can just do nothing because 'outthere' there is "THE TRUTH" saves us and where everything is answered. A complete fantasy of the ego to NOT realize is THIS ONE the Only life. Stop imagining Truth as a concept! Is this. Is this life. This one. What the hell you going to make out of it? Clock is ticking. If you lived miserably, that's it. That's what you did out of it. No truth, no heaven, no God will make it out for you. States of Being are all that there is. Forget the wildcard of Truth. Act like you never heard of that word. Is extremely limiting and stagnating for most of you guys.

I think I've said other times that when I say the WORDS bliss or pleasure or silence are WORDS, I'm not talking about mental or physical pleasure, I'm not talking about mental or physical bliss. I'm talking about a certain state of consciousness. Consciousness can be in a wide range of different states, as our beloved forum Leader said in the past. Caring about truth is fine. But try to care about truth in a miserable state. See if is of any value Truth when you are anxious or fearful or live stressed. That will let you see that State of Consciousness is how you measure the profoundity and importance of life. That will let you see what is important for you: Experience of Life. How you are experiencing this very moment. A State of consciousness above suffering = Consciousness outside the mind. It doesn't matter how many more are from there. The important thing is to get there. From there I can negotiate that there can still be different ways for Consciousness to experience itself. For example, i can imagine that if you disgange from the physical body for too long, you will die (aka, abandoning the body, mahasamadhi). So, of course, is not white or black. But first, get to 'first base' First base is to be able to disangage from that which bounds you. Dismissing that as pleasure seeking is completely losing the point. You are not getting the seriousness and importance of you as consciousness being able to distance yourself from mind, emotion and energetic entanglement. This is the primordial work. Only from there mysticism and comfortable exploration of this creation starts.

That's a wildcard you guys love to throw around here in the moment it is told to you a hard truth you want to accept, there are states that some people as me are getting into regularly and are above suffering. Not sure if is envy, which is nonsense, because I don't have anything special that you do not have, we are the same intelligence/consciousness, you absolutely have the same power to get there if you learn the skill to activate yourself. But playing the wildcard of dismissing it as "hey! Is not truth! Keep looking!" Is a game you are playing. Notice this. I'll wait for you when you want to join the actual work. As I said, I expect more from you guys than this typical responses. Is time for a change of consciousness. You guys are stuck in the same cycle of contentment. Meanwhile, whatever your ego wants to think does not change how reality work. To each their own. But I'll tell you this: Clock is ticking. Are you going to join me in reclaiming our power as consciousness over our energies and mind, or are you going to seek solaces in this narratives and avoidance mind mechanisms, but not really taking power? I try to be as honest as possible. I visit mystic states and terrible emotional states in the same week. I deal with a heavy karma/trauma that I don't still be able to completely destroy. So there is work to do.

yes, is saying that my mind works as shit 😂🤡 🙌👌

I get what you mean but is hard for me to not suffer cotidian egoic consciousness. Is painful. I want peace and silence like when im meditating 😭 feels so good I get what you are going but I respectfully disagree. I think as crude as it might sound there are different states of experiences and some are more preferable than others. Am I being 'selfish' form preferring blissful perfect silence vs thoughts emotional chaos ? I might be, But that's where I am. I am not in a god-like position of saying 'I can love the both, I don't prefer any of it particularly'. Btw, I never implied that the state I experienced was 'it'. (If you mean by 'it' Truth or Enlightment) Is as simple as... do you prefer to experience the most basic aspects of life (such as sounds, touch, smell, etc..) as a blissful perfect silence phenomena , or you do you want to experience them with thoughts, by projecting labels to them and therefore being very far away from that silence? I am not saying silence is the truth, I´m saying, ime silence is more fun and enjoyable than chaos.

I appreciate your help brother. But I don't realize it still. I have watched the video of Leo of the guided exercise, it was powerful but I do not have clarity most of my daily life, with the exception sometimes when I do spiritual practices. thanks for the motivation, I hope it gets better and more stable thats a good one

What kind of practices you do?

God is in the process of awakening...by you now projecting there's something outside of you that is God, are keeping yourself (God) sleep...

Nice! I wholeheartedly agree. I even would add, what when people usually scream about it and try to convince others, etc... is a sign that they already in duality. Is common in my experience that once I am back in duality I love to create topics about how awake I am and how far I got...lol

I feel the impulse of humans is to project human emotion and thought to God: God created this because of ___ Reality is this way because is for you to ___ God is leaving you breadcrumbs to awaken Etc ... This kind of statements have in common, that it assumes there is a Personal God that is watching for your feelings and Life circles around human feelings or motivations. If something Life has taught several times that it doesn't matter how much you pray, good things will happen to you when you do the things that work. A murderer can still enjoy the beauty of watching a sunset, yet you that never did any harm, might be depressed looking at it, just because the murderer now is at a state of flow with life and you don't. Is a matter of skill. Skill. Not morality. 'God' doesn't seem to have a personal human emotional agenda... So I would watch out of outsourcing the responsibility of your life to a Caring, Emotional, FatherLike God. Notice how this is literally what CHRISTIANS do. When I say God I mean the same as Reality, or Life, or Existence. In my experience, Existence does not have this emotional or moral objectives. Is only the mind that gets in the middle and starts to project this things to 'God'.

Morality is not gravity. I'm talking about human morality, not physics Precisely what I'm saying is that inmoral behaviour won't bite you in the ass eventually necessarily. In fact "inmoral" for one person is moral for another. Is completely relative. For a rapist that is about to rape he thinks is completely justified and moral what he's about to do. What does that even mean? Or you just read it from Leo?

I´ve been investigating that pain and that feeling and I think I know why it feels so bad. I think in the root of it is that there is a belief or feeling of one being inherently bad, not worthy of Being oneself. I think when someone rejects us or other situation happens that triggers us that pain, what really happens is that in a way we are experiencing again the belief "You are Bad". /You don't deserve Existing / You are not Good / You are the unworthy of Love. Now the question would be how to stop believing that. More feeling it? More going deep into the pain? I think this belief is in the stomach, it seems like traumatic events from childhood (or past generation trauma), the body registers the horror of thinking one is unworthy, and is 'saved' in the stomach. That's why if you investigate next time you have 'social anxiety' you will feel nervous in the stomach.

I am more sure each day that being successful with meditation depends 90% on skill and 10% on time spent/'effort'. Careful with outsourcing everything to just the 'letting go' motto. Of course ultimately 'letting go' is neccesary, but how you get there is important. If there is no skill you might never get to properly 'let go'. So you might think you are 'letting go', but you are actually 'trying to let go', so instead you are not actually letting go. In the past I had 1 hour or half an hour meditation habits each day, and while more or less I was able to achieve a certain effectivity (meaning, more or less I was 'peaceful' most of the time and it started to become enjoyable) it was still kind of hit and miss. And the hits were still quite mellow. Noways, what do I do, is yoga stretchings (a mix between Hatha Yoga and stretching), and then afterwards I sit to meditate, but no timer, that's just the last exercise of the session, whatever is the duration is the duration. So sometimes is 15 minutes, sometimes is 3 minutes. What happen today is, 3 days without meditating, I do today the session, I finish, I sit to do the meditation. Just as im sitting down, in the second 5-6 after sitting, bum. Gone. Total Samadhi. Pure unity. Yujuuu. How is that possible? The last 3 days I took drugs, didn't meditate, didn't exercised, 0 'consciousness baseline', yet what happens is: A yoga practice practiced over 100 times, dozens of subtle movements learned, I sit and the body energetically is completely opened, I move the hands in such a way, and the back is in a certain way, that as soon as I closed my eyes, and opened my hands, I was gone. There wasn't an intention to 'let go', a build up of 'consciousness', or an effort to silence my mind. Just that the movements, breathing and postures were the precise steps in order for the body to be instantly receptive/connected to the mystical. No praying, no morality, no miracles. Just that the right 'buttons' were pressed. I believe we are giving very little importance to the science and tools of spiritual techniques, and a lot to discussions, ideas, effort, morality, and idealistic letting go´s. I think we need to get more pragmatic. There is a lot to learn.

Yes. It exists . Is not a physical thing, so the question "what is consciousness" mentally is impossible to answer, because is OUTSIDE the mind. Calling it mind as Leo says is problematic, because when we think about mind things as thoughts, emotions or etc come to mind. An consciousness or that no thing is outside that. (thank God btw 😅...)

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Yeap, that's the power of this techniques, when you get to the meditation you are in an activated yet relaxed state which is very conducive for maximum results. There is a big difference between that and going to meditate half sleepy and with mental fog, which some people seem to do. Yeap The point is I enter samadhi when the technique was done right. The thing is people think samadhi or no self experiences comes from "Grace" and it might not be the case. Although sometimes intense surrender is another technique that can work of course. In the past I had a kriya yoga practice and I would enter to ecstatic states with the breathing each day for several weeks. It wasn't coincidence or grace, just a technique very well learned (and that at that point in my life I felt pretty good so I was able to invest lot of energy into it) So my point is to treat spirituality more like a science 1. Kratom and cigarettes, so no they weren't psychedelics. 2. Right now I practice Angamardana and truly loving it. I get your point in the sense that it all depends on where you set the bar. But IMO the bar should be set in no suffering or almost no suffering.

This is not really a mental health problem but since posting it in any other sub would be off topic I thought this was the most proper place. Basically I´ve been doing opiates for the past 6 years and in retrospect I have to say I´m not sure if I should quit or not. My biggest motivation to quit last year was being able to go deeper in my spiritual practice (meditation and yoga), and in fact I was able to go much deeper and learn a lot, life got more profound and I thought I was going 'somewhere' finally, but at the end of the day I didn't solve my traumas which honestly is the cause that in the first place I started trying drugs in the first place. As I said in this 6 years of use I have taken breaks and sometimes I quit them for 'long' time (last time I was 6-7 months withouth using), but I end up coming back because I basically don't see much difference on quality of life, and I miss the feeling of emotional safety of them, ultimately is all because of the trauma I guess. The best part of being sober is never feeling sick, and being able to get the benefits of my spiritual practice at its fullest, but if I´m honest I sometimes think I prefer to be 10-20% of the week feel sick but being able to feel incredible peacefulness and mood-boost 80% of time. Also just the feeling of knowing you have that crutch of stability/peacefulness/optimistism in a pill, already sometimes makes me feel good, withouth not even taking them lol. Just knowing one has that. And Health effects opiates are probably the safest drug on the planet. Constipation would be the only downside, but it can totally be controlled with correct supplementation as magnesium and fibre, and a good diet. At this point my body feels completely normal doing them. I don't have health any side effects. I don't know, probably I will end up quitting them in the near future. Is not like I have the most compulsive use in the planet, as I written in other subforms, the state of consciousness I experience with Yoga, blows out the water the highs of drugs. So is not like is the 'best high in the world'. Is more like is a high that I still can do things and be productive, but with a subtler feeling of eternal energy and mood boost. It just seems that makes life less rough and difficult. Is a habit that doesn't seem to make my life 'a wreck' or make me homeless, like culture usually believes all opiate users are. Also, this is not like I´m in the 'honeymoon period', like this is like my 6 year of using after using for the first time. I´m speaking with a certain use experience. (Btw, when I say opiates I don't include heroin in them. Heroin is a whole other beast and it has a category on its own. I don't use it nor I plan to, Do not try heroin, is not in the same 'bag' as the rest of drugs. )

@Bazooka Jesus The thing is I´m not sure. Last year I had the idea of, is all states of energy and consciousness. There are thoughts more highly vibratory and less vibratory. So I´m just going to handle my inner state of energy. No more 'self concept'. That went well, for some time. But then "the mind got me." So the healing thing. In a way maybe is the way, in other way, I fear is part of the problem, like just going down the spiral of trauma but never seen to go anywhere. Things as getting therapy or something already feels like weak, maybe is just going to lower energies. I fear engaging with it might be the devil in disguise. Or not, you never know. Is quite a macabre puzzle piece I´m in. Ok thanks I will put it. My spiritual practice can give me those things but sometimes it doesn't. The drugs is just like 100% effective, unless you develop tolerance lol. So I guess they are not that effective either

have you tried Kratom? First two years of my use it would nod me to sleep every night

I find the most challenging stuff is not the food is being hungry. The days I work out I don't have an issue ingesting the calories, but the days I don't sometimes is weird for my body to be 'Ok, let me get those 3000 calories today too'. Btw I have no idea of body bulking or bodybuilding, but I am hitting the gym 3-4 times a week just doing 30-40minutes (so basically im going pretty chill) but I´m ingesting 3000 calories each day. You would think I would get fat but I don't. I guess I need to increase my workout durations ideally.

Just see in your nearest circle how habitual is for men to show angriness vs woman.

me too, I love it. Is like at last she have a life in there and is not a zombie. What I think happens is that women role is to be emotionally neutral and protective so society have told them they can't show certain emotions otherwise they won't be a 'true woman'. When they step out of this bs, is obviously great to see .

@TheGod Those three phrases are all from Leo. Are you sure you are not projecting authority either to some teacher? I myself have taken psychedelics for years, I´ve come to the conclusion that they do provide mystical states but (at least in my experience) it all gets boiled up with mind data. At the end I ended up more confused that where I started. I don't trust psychedelics anymore for this work. But you do you. Walk your path. See if it works or not.

Set a more intimate/sexual frame, get the numbers ONLY when is very clear you two want to go on a date. I´ve wasted too much energy and hopes getting half ass worked numbers.