Javfly33

Don't do mind games. At the end of the day you prefer Pleasure over pain. Bliss over misery. Happiness over depression. If mastering pleasurable state of consciousness its already a mastodonic task, transcending duality of pleasure-pain is a whole other level.

@Yimpa Nah, of course all of them are real... but as 'self' I prefer to be in certain 'states' rather than other ones. And I know that what I say might seen unrealistic or preposterous, and to be honest, I don't know if it's really possible to get to a level of mastery to produce this 'feeling' at will, or almost at will, not just when one is sitting doing the practice. But at least I must try, IMO, there is nothing much more to do. I do value the diversity and 'external action' in life, of course, but in my view, the ideal thing is to first handle or master the inside, and then from that place of inner satisfaction and joy, then external action can happen so much more effortlessly, and even the possibility of doing 'boring' things, become a joy. At the end of the day, aren't we just burning up the planet in search of 'happiness'? If people would feel blissful just mowing the lawn, would they get into this massive ego-projects of 'searching my purpose' or constructing billion dollar business at expenses of other peoples misery/suffery? I don't think so.

You are right, it's definetely wouldn't be practical to be in this state 24/7. But I do want to develop a skill to get me into that state wherever I want. It's true, that if you get in this state 24/7, one would become a vegetable, just collapsed by the intensity. But you know, I think there are levels to this. There are levels of blissfulness where you can remain functional, and you don't get so incapacitated. This is possible. I usually get them and stay at them for some more time as the effects of the kriya I do gradually come down. This is the lower level of the intense bliss I´m talking about but still espectacular. See, there are states of consciousness where there is pleasure but there is NO emotion, humans think good emotions are the highest states but there are things further beyond preferable from that, and still you can remain functional. You know an animal a few seconds before catching its prey? Its life energies are absolutely intense, an at the same time its absolutely still. This is a possibility to the human being too. But it requires a certain mastery of your life energies.

Oh Ok, so you talking more about a certain Intelligence beyond the intellect, that has been developed and integrated into you. Then I understand you... See, when Leo talks about understand I always get the sense he talks about conceptual knowledge...

The mind talking and Bliss is not possible ?

Well,ime understanding comes after and as a result of the actual experience/'state of consciousness'. Understanding as a means to get 'there', never worked for me... I get lost in the monkey mind, personally.

Totally agree ?? Dude, its just not bliss. It's the Love and intense dissolution of time that happens in Non-Dual state of consciousness. It's not just a mind state. It's an energetic vibration that its very close to TRUTH, if its not Truth already. .. Shambhavi mahamudra

Right, uh? Why people don't talk about this? But its more than comfort man, its fucking bliss.

@Schizophonia Check out this post: Is not that is not possible, is that the ego is not present in those high states of consciousness, its God in its purest actual form. So God already has reality as it wants. Its not going to alter reality in any distorted way for your amusement, precisely because when you get to that state you won't have a biased will of wanting to alter reality. It's obviously perfectly designed lol

right. Got ya. Its true, one can get lost in that. But think also that there's nothing else than that (the illusory game). Inevitably the 'game must go on' in one for of another. I believe what we must strive is to play the game effortless and joyfully, because for total transcendence and non-attachment, well... thats basically asking for death. If we are still 'playing' here I guess it's because we want. (At least I do) Nobody is forcing nobody to not do mahasamadhi or just sit and surrender everything...

@Breakingthewall What 'trick' are you talking about exactly? Can't see any trick here.

Nobody 'knows' because it's Infinite. Only Infinite can know itself. 'Knowing' = Finite. Finite can NOT grasp Infinite. How many times this has to be said? ?

@Holykael No, this is false. You created your ego complaining about God. It's all designed by You, and in reality you do not hate God. This ideas are all just products of a very compulsive and dense vibratory mind. I recommend you to pick up a proper sadhana to keep the mind still.

Radical statement but I think most people dont know how true this statement is. Its not a metaphor or a happy word. Today in Samadhi state (or whatever the fuck you want to call it), I become conscious how I was creating/maintaining a certain Building (yes, a physical building with floors, where people live) in a certain city. The possibility of dissolving/destroying/making that building collapse was possible, but because God is literally Love, It was recognised that it wasn't possible for the ego (anything that is not love) to influence their bias and childish control to it. It's not that God can not destroy a building if it wants, its the fact that since God is actual - straight up Love, it can only be that, so any control or desire of a corrupted form of God (the ego) will not be able to manipulate God in the slightest way. Summary: I become conscious of a real Building in a my city and how I was creating it with "my" consciousness, the possibility of collapse it just to try 'my power' came up, but I couldn't because Love is untouchable. (In other words, As Leo has said: LOVE IS LIMITED BY LOVE).

So I'm inside the WhatsApp group of the Psychedelic society of my city. There are more than 250 people in this group. Well, it came up the topic of God, Truth, and etc... I obviously refrain of talking about this stuff and guiding people in thinking deeper than materialism, but, since its a psychedelic group I thought what the hell, If this is ain't the place to talk about this stuff then what is it. Turns out after some discussion, they completely ignore me and gaslight me, one of them "calling me out" because what I was saying could be "dangerous". To sum it up, they found the sentence "Reality is your imagination" threatening. (Yeah, no shit little devil. It's threatening to your fantasy. That's what I'm literally trying to help you deconstruct) Not one. Not single fucking one dude out of 250 people stepped up. Not one out of 250 people Intuit Love/God it's possible. What the fuck? So there you go, to most even psychedelics can't wake up normies. Fuck me. If they can't even open their minds and hearts to Love with the help of psychedelics and someone that points and guides them, i feel it's safe to say most humans are not born and "made" to awaken at all.

@Yimpa Of course Lol. The title literally says 'I hate'. Well you are right it's not a great feeling. Definitely want to move to higher kind of emotions. I been stucked in hate for some time as I believe is a reponse to shame and guilt.

@Thought Art Dude, Dude, Dude. can't you see he started by bullying and fucking around (@Stretch) Read the message @Stretch wrote first. It's really fucking hypocritical sometimes what you guys do. I opened a topic about some stuff and yeah, I´m not going to be bullyed by the first smartass that thinks he can project his judgment of morality on to me. You guys as mod really need to see beyond just the fact that I call him 'dumb'. Yeah, I call it dumb, but watch the message I´m replying to him when he was trying to fuck me when his 'humour' trying to ridicule me. And the mod @Carl-Richard just laughing their words. Dude, great. You are doing a great work then around here, if you laughing the words of people that just go into post to automatically trying to discredit the validity of the topic the author is sharing. Really 'motivates' people to share stuff. Yeah, maybe laugh a bit better more. If a guy just go into posts to try to 'debunk' the author of the validity of the post he's sharing (like saying, woah, you are so false, that you are preaching about love and at the same time you are hating, that's so ironic mueheheHEHEHE). What you want me to do? That I just 'buy' that attack?. I´m not going to do it. And if these kind of passive-aggressive, subtle bullying replies, is normal for you guys, fine. I´ll just wait until I get banned for defending myself. But I´m not going to receive any kind of judgment projection of some people here that just want to project their frustration/depression, or whatever stuff on to me, which I didn´t do anything wrong. Bottom line is in this forum trying to instantly being the smartest one (probably motivated by Leo's narcissism) has become so normal that you guys just normalise this shit. And then when I stop the bully, you say to me this shit. C´mon man. @Thought Art

@Thought Art @Carl-Richard I retreat my words. Went today to a meet-up and most of them were great guys. The energy was great. Probably will accept most folks are not at a point of wanting to awaken and stop trying to enlighten people.

I totally get that. I haven't been able to generate such constant bliss but that totally happens to me lately that I do a very powerful practice, it leaves the rest of the day just "buzzed" out and I procrastinate work because one just feels SO GOOD doing nothing/feeling the breeze...etc.

Dude. I appreciate your experience. But Lol. There is no "limited consciousness". Are you *kidding me? @Jowblob

Are you sure of that? Consciousness is not experiencing a body. Not fucking with you. Look at direct experience. Look actually what is being 'experienced'. See if there is really a 'body' as a whole being experienced, as you say. I don't know. But it's clear to me that identifying as the body is just that, an identity. You can actually drop it, because obviously you are not the body. The fact that we are even discussing this is comical. How the fuck you going to be a 'body'? An inert flesh of cellular tissue and bones. You clearly know deep down that's not you.

Bro, I'm not kidding you. I'm not playing no advaita Vedanta shit. If you lose the illusory reference point, there is NO SUFFERING. Believe me. Physical sensations will keep happening, pain can happen, but no suffering. The problem is NOT pain. An animal also has pain. The problem is you reacting to the pain and creating suffering. There's a whole "science" about this in Zen (if I'm not mistaken). It's call "equanimity" of experiences. @r0ckyreed So since I can move my car with the steering wheel wherever I want, it's "logical" to identify myself with the car? Please see how the fact that you can control the body doesn't make necessary that you are the body.

? Sure bro, of course they exist. I´m just saying why you keep identifying with that as 'you' ?

Awakening comes with a clear realization of something. Seems yours was "just" a blissful pleasurable state. Really applaud your results, not everybody can say that. What is your meditation technique? I got jealous of all of that bliss lol

@integral @Stretch Don´t be so smartass. The Love I´m talking have nothing to do with agreeing or not. Hate happens within LOVE, dummy.