Javfly33

This is what happens when you are in a compulsive state, everything seems to happen out of result of something else, you are a casualty of external situations and karmic and past conditioning of your mind. The solution is to go from compulsion to consciousness. From mechanical to intelligence.

exactly

Because Yoga and similar tools are very subtle. It would be impossible to explain why they work because is a school of tools consciousness very complex. Psychedelics are more direct and instant, you just take them and whatever your state of consciousness or sensitivity is, they will amp it by x1000. With Yoga is more complex. At first it seems you are just doing twists and turns with your body and breathing in a funny way, but then it starts to unfold that it is a very sophisticated tool. Understanding what a simple Pranayama technique is doing takes hundreds of hours. But trust me it is worth it, because once you learn it you have a 'key' for life to activate certain things, outside of the practice. For example I have stopped doing the technique he taughts in the course, for more than a month, but I activate certain stuff in my level consciousness almost wherever I like, with some things I've learn of my body/concentration. This kind of knowledge is impossible to taught, (because is not logical, is at the level of the body and energy pathways of consciousness), and obviously it can't be seen/imagined when you start doing the practice. I guess in this sense, yes, it requires Faith, because you have to have faith that the guy is just not bullshitting you and selling you the heavens for nothing. @Husseinisdoingfine In a sense I get what you guys are saying. You have to be in a certain place in life where those kind of practices resonate with you. If not they are just another meditation thing.

The energy activation you can produce from Shamavhi is so intense that you can become conscious in your own living room you are Sadhguru and you taught the technique to yourself. With that level of clarity, the fanatism thinking of 'another' being 'spiritually superior' to you can no longer be there. But most people are not getting there, they worship it like a superior figure, that tells you all: they haven't gotten much deep.

Is not sadhguru´s fault that most people are guru-worshippers. I´ve gone to some isha meditators meet-ups in my city and most of them were so fanatical about the guys work, yet I got the sense from talking to them they haven't gone much deep with their techniques. See, that's the issue. Personally after doing the technique he teaches on the inner engineering course, I do not intend to learn more techniques unless I totally master the first one. In fact this technique has Hatha Yoga, Pranayama and Energy 'tricks', why one would go on learning 5 techniques more unless they completely master this one? Doesn't make sense to me. In one presencial workshop I went, I met some people there that have learned 4-5 different Isha techniques, but again, I got the sense that they haven't gotten true awakenings. They just love to outsource their life to sadhguru. ? That's not how it works. How is this sadhguru´s fault? Is the guru worshipping endeavour that people love to become attached to (to avoid responsibility) that makes it problematic.

?? Thanks, I appreciate the integrity man ?

@Benton I respect Leo, but unfortunately he is deeply biased in this regard. He has a point in the sense that no one should just blindly believe someone off YouTube videos. Sure. But also one should be open minded and not just preach the pessimistic motto of 'He is a genetic freak'. Here's the thing, about 1 year ago I made a topic in this forum talking about an extraordinary state of Being I have achieved while coming down off acid while watching the 'Infinity Meditation' sadhguru video on YouTube. My topic title was something like 'How can I achieve this withouth drugs?" Or something like that Leo rapidly said in that topic "You were on a psychedelic are not going to achieve that on your own". Of course again the pessimistic message. 1 year fast forward, after probably +200 shamavhi kriyas, I have replicated that same state of dissolution and absolute euphoria on my own, completely sober, probably more than 10-15 times. 0 Lsd in my system while it happened. so, what? Where is the recognition of the error? I´m still waiting for it. Of course now mods will say that I´m lying? Or that I am also another 'genetic freak'? ?

Because God is not something separate from you. God can be slept in its own dream/creation, and create/manage itself unconsciously. The whole process is to go from compulsion to consciousness. Nobody will do this for you, only You It starts with accepting your full responsibility, and stopping projecting and judging others or other external thing as the source of your misery.

I don't know, maybe he got that information from talking to people. You gotta take into account the guy spent several years traveling across India with no steady home, just his motorcycle, you can meet lots of rare people with rare information if you would do that. He never said that his work is Truth. He actually says pretty usually "don't jump into conclusions". He is overall message is more of selling Hapiness/Pleasurable state of consciousness...etc, and less about awakening/understanding/reaching something 'solid'. Is like a drug dealer, even if the guy is the biggest scumbag of the whole city, the drugs you purchase from him still will get you high, right?

what you think are main things or habits to do to make your life incredibly profound? Psychedelics check. But apart from that? I´m talking about that kind of profoundness of experience of going to nature for some days in a row, listening to African antique music, sitting on the soil while acid comings up, everything feels alive, there is this subtle feeling that every grasshopper is a God on its own, there is a deep awe and respect for everything, you just feel blessed for breathing, everything feels mystical and sacred, wherever you look. How to make LIFE this? Withouth needing to pop acid each day of course... (Right now kids nowadays...they are completely disconnected from this. Scrolling tin Tok machines while ordering McFlurrys at McDonalds each Friday night before going to take alcohol and weed and get wasted...that´s their definition of 'intensity' lol)

I do have scepticism in some way to sadhguru too. For example when he talks about certain histories about Yogis, or similar stuff...I wonder, where this guy get that information? Because he says that he never read a book. But he has lots of stories to tell constantly. So what, he 'downloads' that information into his mind or what? lmao

In a proper 5-MeO trip, there is only one person there. So no sex, it would just masturbation ?

I don't think that is a legit point to call him out as fake. When I talk with people about certain things of spirituality and meditation, I literally say the same thing over and over. Memory and mechanic phrases get into your brain and you just say the same things over and over in the same way about a certain topic. That doesn't mean that I´m bullshitting the other person though. I´m sure he could be more natural, but you can't expect to him be like this in a normie conference in usa (or any part of the world). When he is out in the world to preach his fundamental teachings he can't be too much natural or people would freak out or not listen to him. Go to Minute 1:30:20 in the following video. What you see in the video won't ever happen in conferences. In fact, it is deeply risky and gets you in a very vulnerable state to be like he is in the video (and the energy process he is doing). Only because he is in the ashram with people that are involved in the word and do intense sadhana, he can start showing some capabilities beyond just regurgitating some cool phrases like you say. By the way, the same has happened to me in a personal more small scale. I recently started giving meditation/energy process meet-ups to people in my city. The more authentic it is, the less people come. In my city The ones that do the easy bullshit meditation, are the ones that people come to. In the end I have stopped giving them. This society can't handle authenticity and Truth,, so you have to sell them easy kind of bullshitty chunk pieces of the whole thing so they get minimally interested in it.

That's quite the rationalisation right there. Another perspective is, Psychedelics maybe have serious side effects in terms of the energetic body If I have to make a analysis after all this years I would say psychedelics have been amazing in providing great times in terms of euphoria and freedom from thought, but the baggage that gets twisted in the middle of it (because of the ego still being active most of the trip, even though people think is not) can be a serious side effect. If you have more anxiety from psychedelic use, they are clearly not working for you.( IMO ) Is actually the ego that now wants to defend psychedelics at any cost, that says 'meh, but is because im in empath now'.

Once you get the message, hang up the phone. I have used to LSD in the past too and experienced some breakthroughs and I felt I was un releasing trauma and so on until it all started to feel too much Loopey kind of way. Overall I would say stay away from this type of energetic-psychologic twisting psychedelics Lsd for a long time, come back when you feel you just want to enjoy a trip. Now just give it time, it will pass! Hang in there!

Psylocibin my friend

@jimwell ???? Real work there, thanks for sharing. I will note some of that advice to put into practice, specially the one about distancing oneself from toxic people, and rectifying my internal destruction

Learn proper classic Yoga from a teacher. The key to produce this states is 'written' on your own body/breath. You will have to 'make it' by doing certain practices and techniques. I learned from sadhguru but who ever you choice, make sure he/she knows what it is doing and is not just gymnastics. Oh no, I have cancelled this year because I had a lot of expenses Next year. Yes, it feels like heaven. All of your sensory surroundings (particularly sounds since eyes are usually closed) become like little diamonds dripping tears of Love and Bliss. You become One with that. Yoga = Union ?

IME, The best state ever is not a psychedelic peak, or any type of substance induced state. It is absolute concentration and intensity of your awareness, to such a level that feeling of Time completely disappears, and there is just Raw Awareness. In this state anything that happens on awareness is an orgasm on its own, a sound feels Ecstatic, each breath feels like heaven, this is what all humans beings should strive for. If you think you know blissfulness or ecstasy because of having taking MDMA or 300ug of Lsd, I´m just telling you, you haven't scratched the surface of how certain state of consciousness of God can feel like. I piss on mdma or heroin or whatever, this state of consciousness is beyond anything that a chemical could trigger. This is a pure Explosion of perfection. And, this can not be achieved for a long time while residing in normal society, only retreated in a place outside of the matrix influence, this can be lived. All types efforts to feel pleasure love or accomplishment through material goals are stupid, because they do not touch 1% of the bliss and heaven this state of consciousness is. I do have material attachments I want to burn, but once I´m done with that, I will say goodbye to the game. I will retreat to some ashram and in exchange of peeling potatoes 8 hours a day, I will be in heaven rest of the day. ?

What is wrong with directors making Movies with high level of violence? I know that violence happens in reality, but I don't see the point in literally traumatising the spectator for life. I just saw a movie where it depicted tortures and extreme violence to humans. This energies will be forever imprinted not just in my memory but in my energy system, ill have to do profound healing work for this to be transcended. carefull with watching this type of things on a usual. This type of 'media' food greatly impacts your energy and sensitivity system. Most people don't end up prisoners on a fascist regime and endure extreme violent treatment, but this directors are making movies to show everyone this shit mass-like. I´m so pissed right now of what I watched.

Yeah the mindfuck is the beater thinks is doing a good thing...

I think Leo is right, saying 'God is infinite self-deception'. God is infinite tricks, infinite imagination. It even imagines such a thing as spiritual gurus, Love-Oneness, non-duality, etc... so it can feel 'connected' to 'others', by literally imagining that they exist. What a trickster you are! Tricks and deception are neccesary for the game to be played. Embrace being totally lost in the dream, I think there's nothing else to do. Just to forget, awake, forget, awake, endlessly, for eternity.

I don't mean karma but just traumatising memories... Yeah, that is definetely right. It is a projection of myself. Honestly, when I see this type of what I initially say is 'cruel' stuff, it helps to see that there is only One Self. So basically the beater is also the guy getting beaten up. I watched one time a guy from a Mexican cartel getting their heart out of their chest while being alive, yeah, that shit is so fucked up. The movie was Modelo 77 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_77 Maybe it was traumatising specially for me because it is written based on real events and from my country (Spain) not so many time ago, so I guess it hits home and feels more real.

Thinking about it I have realized I´ve always had a deep sense of shame about myself just for no fucking reason. I used to project the causes to external or internal facts, but then I would realize 'Oh no, people who have also done this or have not done this, do not feel like I do, so that external thing can not be the cause'. Then I have started to think about a memory I have when I was a kid, for some weird reason I was in the country house of my grandpas, and I was naked (maybe my and my cousins were having a bath, who knows), and there was this guy (which was a neighbour of the house near ours), at one point we were alone (rest of the family was in the back part of the house I guess), and if my memory does recall correctly, he looked at my dick and did some strange creepy smile (memory is foggy, can't say exactly if something else happened but I would say it was just that), and I think right there.... I experienced a sense of shame about myself (about my sexuality I guess?). So that could be the 'ground' where the sense of shame about myself, just for no reason, arised? Of course, calling this 'sexual abuse' is way debatable, back before I would just understand this memory as a creepy experience, but then looking at the internet according to some sites this is considered child sexual abuse lmao. So, I guess this discovery could answer some questions about myself...

If you have energy why you want to sleep more? I don't get it.