Enlightenment

@Isaac Ben I've tried both DPT and 5-MeO-DMT. My 100 -120mg snorted DPT trip resulted in my first full ego death experience - breakthrough. I've yet to have a full breakthrough on 5-meo because I only did like 25mg. I find both substances very powerful in ego death inducing effects. The amount of powder is a bigger issue with DPT because you need a lot more, and it can create disgusting throat drip. Also 5-meo have no visuals except some white flashes on 25mg.

@traveler Don't worry. Even meditation masters lose consciousness under general anesthesia.

Enlighten person can have personality disorder

@corndjorn The only way to become incapable of experiencing fear is amygdala removal. I don't think this is desirable as it will create a lot of problems with functioning in the world. There is known case of female without amygdala and it put her in some very dangerous situations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M._(patient)

@Serotoninluv lol I don't know about 5-MeO but a lot of people have this kind of concentration skills. It's actually not woo woo at all.

@winterknight Do you have any sense of agency? If not, have you significantly deepen that state, since your transition into it? How good your concentration skills are? Can you sit for 2h effortlessly, perfectly concentrated on the breath with a straight posture? Have you ever tried 5-MeO-DMT? If yes, can you take a breakthrough dose and sit still the whole trip?

Well, blackout is Nibbana. I guess it's the same as in meditation, some people have a tendency towards Pure consciousness experience and some towards unconsciousness.

@Preetom Because it's not that good? Even Martin Ball said that it's not something he would do for fun like MDMA for example.

It depends on a person. For me plugging barely works (I've tried a few times), but snorting is very effective.

@Tony 845 Just choose some Hindu word like hirim, shirim etc. with no meaning. There is no magic in the exact mantra you're using, rather it's the repeating prosses itself that become automatic and can reveal no thinker, no self

@Tistepiste Yes but he already mentioned mantra and self-inquiry

Noting, actualism, vipassana, aware of awareness, headless way

For me plugging 5-MeO barely work at all, but snorting works very well. To avoid a throat drip you can put your head facing nose down for about 15 minutes after snorting it. You may not be able to avoid all nausea but empty stomach will definitely help. For me 15mg snorting is a baby dose, 20 - something interesting starts to happen, 25+ very strong, much stronger than 20. If you have an accurate scale I would recommend trying something like 22, 25, 28....

Ok, then what about the experience of losing consciousness? Doesn't it prove experientially that you can be dead from the materialistic point of view?

I live in non-dual/no agency for 2 years and still had to occasionally take benzos for anxiety because I couldn't sleep, just overactive amygdala I guess. In my experience anxiety is much harder to crack than depression and enlightenment doesn't really affect objective physiological measures of your anxiety. Enlightenment will most likely cure depression unless it's purely caused by noradrenaline/serotonin deficiency. For anxiety, I would recommend trying psychedelics, those can lower amygdala activity long-term.

as well as 5-MeO

I have the same 10mg micro scoop as Leo. One scoop supposedly equates to 7mg of 5-MeO HCL, does anybody know if oxalate is the same?

If permanently you mean without any maintenance daily meditation, then no-self, no doer is possible but for more, meditation is required for the rest of one's life. It's most likely impossible to get to 5-MeO peak sober if even 40000h meditators who have tried 5-MeO are saying that they have never experienced something like that.

@Girzo I doubt it's DPT. I've had ++++ on DPT once, it's powerful yet most likely not more powerful than 5-MeO-DMT, comparing large data of peoples experiences. There was no infinite white light, rather like my whole being was pressed into, and become one with the molecular structure of reality itself, followed by extremely solipsistic feeling afterward.

@Jed Vassallo I'm also curious why he doesn't want to reveal the substance. If it really would be more powerful than 5-MeO-DMT, so powerful that one is blacking out, why not to use a smaller dose?

It does depend even more so on your concentration skills than enlightenment. Enlightenment ≠ concentration skills. Once you are able to put your attention on any object and it just stays there effortlessly without dullness for 2h+, then your perception becomes very vivid, mind powerful and even beyond that there is even more powerful equanimity and that point it's possible to have some awareness left in dreamless sleep.

Cut off your amygdala

@fabriciom There are positive benefits of 5-MeO even if you don't agree that it shows you the truth. All psychedelics are like an amplifier of how it is to be you, and what you're currently doing conscious or unconscious. If somebody is freaking out on 1 tab of acid, then IMO he has a lot of work to do, and he will benefit from it. Psychedelics are also non-addictive and not neurotoxic.

@Girzo Martin Ball says that 5-MeO-DMT doesn't build a tolerance at all