traveler

Call it whatever you want, it makes no difference at all. Everything and nothing are identical.

Aight, good luck with finding that.

You just answered your own question ?

You really thought you did something there, huh? Nothing is still a "thing" there, something to achieve and recognise. Nothing is nothing. THIS is the end of the search.

How are you going to let something know what nothing is? Something can never know nothing, when the indvidual (something) falls away nothing is recognised. No one knows what nothing is. When I say nothing is recognised, it is literal. It isn't nothing (something called nothing) that is recognised, no, it is literally that nothing is recognised. Totally free and open to be whatever. And here "we" apparently are.

@ivankiss You seem to have a lot of resistance to the word "nothing." It is just a word, you have no idea what it points to and you never will, because it is pointing to nothing. ? Nothing has no charge, it does not exclude anything, it is boundless. I do have the sense as you do, that many spits the word "nothing" with only a conceptual understanding that it isn't a thing. In the dream nothing is just a weird koan for the person.

The individual is the noise in the appearance.

? The great adventure of nothing.

I have no idea, it is part of the dream of future fulfillment through effort. There is literally nothing to do, because nothing is actually happening. This appearance is not real in the sense that it has consequences and needs to be fixed. Everything is whole, nothing is ever missing, because existence is a dream. The person is total void dreaming existence. There is already nothing, so everything done by the person is reinforcing the dream. Enlightenment is part of the dream aswell. This is whole beyond understanding, it is whole in the sense that there is no other, whatever is, is whole. The person wants enlightenment because it thinks it will improve it's existence, it thinks that enlightenment will bring it peace and will make everyone love it. This is totally outside of that dream and at the same time it is that dream. This is about death and not knowing, following a 10 step program to get to this, is just a joke.

You are the Ox dreaming that it is a person on a search to find the Ox. The person can NOT find the Ox, the Ox can stop dreaming and then the person never was, and the Ox disappears as well, because it was only an idea/concept in the personal dream of finding ultimate fulfillment.

@ivankiss Okay ?

Isn't that just another idea held on to?

Because it is perfect! Doing is as perfect as anything else. The motivation to improve this through doing falls away though, then doing just happens. The dream of the boss within the skull is an illusion, so when it falls away everything is the same, just without the boss pushing and pulling.

Is @traveler or @ivankiss holding onto these ideas?

Words, the dream is their supposed meaning.

Cool, who is gonna do it? ?

There is no answer, you won't find it, give up trying to change what is happening. The search is hopeless, being totally trapped will end the search.

Haven't seen it. But yeah, this is it. But there is no "it". Also it doesn't matter. The whole reality of the seeker is a product of seeking. What is longed for is this without the seeking, but the seeker can't do that, it is stuck in itself. Talking about this might be interesting to some, it obviously is, but when the need to "get" something falls away, the profundity of all spiritual teachings fall away, it did here at least. A children's book is more interesting than listening to someone babble about God and everything, it is the same story repeated, it goes nowhere.

You are perfect. Do whatever you do knowing that you can never make a mistake. Being is your only job, and you are doing a great job ❤

Lmaaooo, no separation buddy!!

It is ? The answer to the question "what is laughter" is laughter. Lmao!

No, I'm saying that it is what it is, unlimited, unknowable, just laughter. There is no reality to it other than the appearance of it, it has no deeper meaning. Knowing what it is, is saying that it is limited The separation in the dream of me, is what makes what I'm saying unfathomable, but it actually is as simple as everything.

Actually not.

Laughter is laughter, hilarity is hilarity. Does it need to be other than it is?