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the normies will... but AIGHE am different and unique! (inb4 emerald clocks me for repressing ordinariness and trying to distinguish myself as extraordinary)

No, he clearly loves solitude more than the majority of humans. Yes, but some rare humans actually love solitude more than the rest of us Don't strawman Leo by conflating his highest value with your teenage inexperience

Yes that's me as well I do think Leo's actually different though Leo is a GIGA-nerd about independence of mind. It's one of his highest values. Given that the foundation of relationship is group-think (literally), it would be a natural roadblock towards Leo's entire MO. Obviously the forum supplements some sort of socialization need for him. but that doesn't contradict his desire to mostly be alone in contemplation

@Natasha Tori Maru Yes, my current way of eating is the nexus of time-efficiency, mental-energy-efficiency, cost-efficiency, tastemaxxing, moodmaxxing, gymmaxxing, and sustainability. I plan to eat this way for the rest of my life, unless something goes wrong and an issue arises (in which case I will admit "I was wrong" and make appropriate adjustments) or otherwise an even better way of eating is discovered and I will jump on that (doubt it. I've already personally experimented with most other ways of eating, and decided they're not for me) I am a strong believer in different needs for different people. If someone just tried to copy my cronometer diet from that screenshot, they will probably have a bad time, because it's so hyper-tailored to me. Still - some principles are universal nonetheless. Generally speaking, if you eat whole-foods single-ingredient meats and plants, you will thrive in comparison to the default paradigm which is buying premade meals and snacks in boxes and bags + eating out or ordering from restaurants (God knows what shit they put in there)

@aurum My bad, you're right Switching to white rice (in my unique case) preserves Calcium, Magnesium, and Zinc specifically

I'm open to that. I've tested fiber on top of my current diet by flirting with root vegetables like potatoes and carrots, as well as incrementally introducing inulin powder, but so far it adds nothing in terms of gut and digestion and fibermaxxing is out of the question because I'm not willing to pound leaves and stems and seeds (I grew up on a plant based diet, it's not right for me) How would lack of fiber be causative of low energy? genuinely curious Good point True. But don't dismiss the shield paradigm entirely. Many of fiber's positive mechanisms are protective by nature. This is just a fact. Yes

@Natasha Tori Maru I'll ping you in 15 years lol :] Yes Yep that wins people cannot believe i've eaten beef and rice twice a day every day for 3 years straight. that's 2000+ reps back to back lol (365*2*3) my motivation is very simple. I just do what gives me the best results. If I ever find even better results, I will quickly do that other thing instead.

@aurum basically all of my micros come from beef + eggs + salmon + spot supplementation the addition of white rice is completely benign in terms of micro nutrients. It adds nothing (maybe a bit of manganese), but also robs nothing. the addition of brown rice is far more complex. it adds more magnesium, phosphorus, manganese, zinc, B vitamins, and some fiber compared to white rice. but the phytate content (~1–1.5% by weight) is enough to rob half or more of the dietary zinc, iron, calcium, and magnesium found in both the brown rice and the meal it's in. Sounds conspiratorial, but I have good reason to believe that eating beef and eggs by itself will yield more total micronutrients than combining that meal with brown rice when you count the final tally of what your body is actually absorbing. This is why micronutrient RDAs for pure carnivores are actually lower than omnivores and avid plant eaters, and this explains why people like Shawn Baker can thrive on steak and eggs alone for 10+ years. Ok, but let's double back and recheck what brown rice would've added: more magnesium but I already supplement this anyway. Magnesium is one of the few micros that I believe should be supplemented even if you already get it from whole foods sources. this has to do with depletion of minerals in our modern soil. If you look up "magnesium rich foods," you will be directed to nuts, seeds, beans, whole grains, dark leafy greens, etc. But you best believe that black beans 100 years ago had significantly more magnesium than they do today. this is pretty much universal, unless you grow your own plants with good soil management. I'm lazy so I just lean on modern technology once again. But there is still further discernment. Cheap magnesium supplements will use magnesium oxide which is basically unusable by the human body, it's a complete scam. Which is why I invest in an amino acid chelated form. more phosphorus beef has this more manganese this is the one micronutrient that white rice actually has anyway more zinc beef has so much zinc that I risk overdosing on zinc, and I take a copper supplement to offset that B vitamins beef eggs and fish cover most B vitamins nicely. I do have lower thiamine (B1) and folate (B9) but that hasn't proven itself to be an issue yet fiber ..eh given my specific stack, brown rice basically adds nothing and wrecks absorption. By combining white rice (+ pomegranate!) with my animal-based diet, I get the benefits of carnivore without the downsides (keto is suboptimal for hormones and training, and the nonexistent antioxidants will accelerate disease risk)

I have no interest in defending my worldview. just offering the most comprehensive explanation we've got the mainstream narrative that fiber is a pure net positive of additive effects is incomplete Basically, the whole carnivore community is proof that fiber is unnecessary, if not suboptimal. The amount of people that say they cut out plants entirely and their gut digestion got better is jaw dropping. But since pro-fiber advocates cannot explain this, they usually end up denying the evidence or saying "we can't trust anecdotes" or "the studies say otherwise" or even worse, they'll say that carnivore advocates are a "special case" of broken people with IBS who need extreme measures but don't reflect on the rest of us "normal" people. Now that would be self-serving. Although I'm not carnivore, I make sure my paradigms account for the realities of all eating styles. You should be able to explain why carnivore works (and doesn't), as well as why vegan works (and doesn't), and everything in between. From that angle, it's impossible to maintain that all humans must fibermaxx for better outcomes. Thinking of fiber as a shield perfectly explains why most people gain benefits from fiber while some specific groups of people can feel even better on 0 fiber. Note that 0 fiber is not for everybody. To pull off 0 fiber, you need a meat-rich, mostly-single-ingredient minimalist diet. You can't just eat whatever you feel like regarding the claim that "fiber feeds good bacteria and produces beneficial short chain fatty acids," it's not so clear to me how necessary that is. Even short chain fatty acids are a sort of shield. they repair your gut lining and fight inflammation. But personally I would rather just not damage or inflame my gut in the first place

Damn 😭

yes, 100% eggs are a godsend might be a genuine contender for most nutrient dense food on the planet for humans, considering micronutrient variety, quality, and quantity per calorie high-quality eggs are one of the few foods I think every human would benefit from eating (assuming no allergies). the other one would be organic pomegranate (whole or juiced)

@Leo Gura Owen Cook literally says that "ready, fire, aim" is a superior paradigm to the classic "ready, aim, fire" he has a point when it comes to something like approaching girls or building an online business for the first time. are you simply talking about different matters to a different audience? or is Owen deluded?

@Schizophonia yes I was being sarcastic lol your advice is solid. pure action from internal abundance always wins, but in practice it's hard for many of us to embody that because nobody taught us this shit growing up, and we have to backwards-engineer an authentic effortless self-concept through trial and error (most men won't get it right on the first try. even the most successful players eat shit and face brutal rejections. sometimes because of a chemistry mismatch, but often because they got in their own way. and so in that sense you do have to keep trying, but the key is measured persistence rather than neurotic desperation)

@daydrinking feels better, less bloat. simple as that fiber acts as a genuinely powerful shield. it cleans out blood sugar spikes, endotoxins, excess estrogen, oxidized bile acids, etc. Basically if you're prone to pounding sugar, junk food, alcohol, pro-oxidative inputs (seed oils, burnt or processed meat, smoking, etc.), or you're fat/estrogenic (especially high in visceral fat) with low movement or low antioxidants, or you just indulge in standard western diet cheat meals (even if rarely), then you should get more fiber. So yeah most people would benefit a lot from fiber, and dieticians are not wrong for pushing that narrative. Personally, I am none of the above so being shielded or not makes little difference. Think of fiber as a fire hydrant. If you're on fire, you want to drown out the fire with water. But if you're not on fire, then whether or not you spray water makes no difference. If anything, it makes you soggy and uncomfortable (bloated, farting, etc.) but then again, some people swear by high-fiber and I don't want to downplay that either. And if you're a fan of plants, fiber is inevitable. Even though I prefer a beef-centric omnivore approach, plant-based (Mediterranean/whole foods vegetarian) diets still mog standard western diets, don't get it twisted

crazy work lol and what if he's not? 😭 that could be a major hangup. A lot of guys unfortunately count themselves out based on perceived aesthetic inadequacy @Oso let us know what's stopping you

@aurum carbs are generally preferable for male hormone optimization (keto will crush testosterone). Which means you want at minimum 100g carbs to escape ketosis. but that is a mixed-signal limbo state that risks low-energy crashes. So 200g carbs is where you start to feel really good in a sustainable way. But then if you're in the gym every day as I am, there is higher muscle glycogen demand to keep up the intensity and recovery. Thus 300g. At 350+g, I start to pack on fat fast (mostly a calorie issue). Thus 300g is where I achieve energy equilibrium starch beats fructose for muscle recovery. hence i eat white rice rather than a bunch of grapes and pineapples (to paul saladino's dismay). and I choose white rice over brown rice to reduce phytic acid and arsenic, which is concentrated in the outer shell. white rice is a processed food that I stand by lol. Potatoes are a strong runner-up contender behind rice. It's really hard to go wrong with meat & potatoes... but the oxalates slightly concern me, personally I also wonder if having japanese genetics gives me an innate compatibility with rice. I feel significantly better on rice than bread, pasta, or potatoes, it's not even close @Natasha Tori Maru 25. I started eating beef and rice every day at age 22. Going into my 4th year now. Only green lights so far

lolll very unlikely did you not read Leo's recent blog discussion on PLAY? bezos' entire energy signature is anti-PLAY curse of the billionaire

0 fiber diet with perfect digestion, to the dismay of psychedeliceagle 2MAD note: If I was able to consume dairy or organs, I wouldn't have half of these supplements. so this stack is idiosyncratic spot-supplementation.

@Lucasxp64 Where do you live

average male experience in 2025 which women don't understand just try harder bro! put yourself out there more and be yourself!

lol good luck. the competition is steep

@Emerald already acknowledged this lauren isn't just hotter, she helps him feel more connected. shes better overall which is why he cheated. I've said this several times now, but jeff's scarcity is not hotness, but hotness that actually loves him for him (from his POV)

Yes but she's male-gaze optimized and more importantly he was having an affair with her during his marriage with his first wife. My only point here is that he was never actually sexually loyal. Monogamy was a survival play because for 20 years he saw nothing better. But then one day he did, and his "loyalty" went out the window. I don't doubt that he geuinely loved mackenzie, and now genuinely loves lauren

My original point was that men with outrageous sexual options generally don't jump on monogamy because there is no survival incentive. And I don't just mean men who fuck through logistical exchange, I mean men who have women authentically drooling and melting and saying "I love you" Conversely, men who do jump on monogamy tend to have limited options, and are seizing to lock down and hoard "the best they can get." No, not all people, but most people. My point was that sexual exclusivity and "loyalty" is generally a survival maneuver moreso than genuine morality or virtue or compassion (and Natasha rightfully said that this is an unpleasant observation, if true. But then you and emerald promptly swooped in and shot down the possibility that my suggestion could be true.) You disagreed with me and brought up Jeff Bezos as a counterexample: e.g. "see, he genuinely loves his wife, even though he has options!" There was then a mild back and forth over whether jeff actually has options or not. My stance is that yes, he can get hot sex whenever he wants, but these women generally don't actually love him for him. They're responding to his wealth status and clout. So of course he will commit to the rare woman that makes him feel understood and loved on a deeper level - because he DOESNT HAVE THAT ABUNDANCE. I don't see him loving his wife as a show of abundance at all. It is pure scarcity. He has no idea what it's like to be drowning in adoration on the merits of his personality. But emerald would rather be charitable. She, along with you, would rather see bezos as choosing genuine love out of abundance rather than making a survival scarcity play. Anyway, ultimately that doesn't really matter because the facts are that he got married and he loves his wife. And this was your ultimate point by bringing up the saudi text leaks. Except no, you can't do that. Because the saudi text leaks were sent to his new wife WHILE he was still officially married to his first wife. This is called INFIDELITY, and directly challenges that idea that he really ever had sexual loyalty to his first wife, which was exactly my original point. You can't weasel out of this by saying "there's nothing unusual about him abandoning his first wife" No, that's exactly my point! He found a better way to survive, so he hopped ship. If he had lauren's interest 20 years ago, would he have ever even considered mackenzie? And how do you know he won't find a lauren 2.0 who makes him feel more loved and understood (and is coincidentally even hotter and younger?) This describes the majority of men who sign up for monogamy. Yes they can actually love their wives, but ultimately it is a scarcity-borne survival play. "but rendheaven, my husband is different!" yes, I know. I'm not talking about your husband. I'm talking about the majority of men who sign up for monogamy, including jeff bezos.