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@Anton_Pierre There are hell realms beyond merely suffering or being unconscious in this physical realm. I mean literal hell realms with devils and fire and horror. The stuff of horror movies. You can dream it up. What do you think a horror movie is? Some twisted mind had to dream that shit up. Imagine being stuck in a horror movie.

You (as God) can dream up whatever realm you want. If the mind is impure it will dream up hell realms. No different than nightmares. Once you are conscious and pure enough you will not have nightmares any more because you will fear nothing.

Did you know the origin of the word Matrix? In other words, the Mother, or Source of all Creation. In other words, God. In other words, YOU!

Hahaha.... No I will not be joining your delusions. Don't expect awakened people to play your mind games.

I am in your imagination. The point is that YOU are the one doing the superhuman task of imagining me into being. You created me! You created the whole universe! You are God. Wake up! You are only talking to yourself here.

You are imagining Sadhguru. Don't ever forget that. The point of Sadhguru is to get you to realize that. Everything else is distraction. You are also imagining psychedelics. Psychedelics do not actually exist outside of your imagination of them. The point of taking psychedelics is to realize that you only imagined having taken them When you can no longer distinguish between psychedelics, fantasy, hallucination, and physical reality, then you've learned the most important lesson.

@Anton_Pierre I never said solipsism. Infinite Consciousness is way beyond solipsism. But it is singular.

Of course SD is relative. It's not a good idea to try to mesh it with enlightenment.

The problem is you imagine me. So you're not channeling me, you're inventing me.

Lol In that case maybe you should take on OJ Simpson as your guru. Look at the mental gymnastics people here go through to preserve the myth that enlightenment can only come by following a guru. Learning from teachers/people is not the same as devotion to a guru.

@InfinitePotential Yeah, Yang got screwed. He under-performed the most. Bernie was meh. He needs to step it up. Overall great debates. The format is just too short though.

@Garuda Read Om Swami's biography. He ditched his useless corrupt guru and became enlightened by himself in a cave in the Himalayas in the middle of winter. The guru did nothing but keep him from enlightenment.

The key point on this topic is this: Everyone just assumes that Jesus was human. Notice that this is purely an assumption. There is no evidence for it. It is possible that he was not human. Which might explain a lot. Things could be more complicated than people assume. The point is not to have some definitive answer, but to question your own paradigms. You never know what amazing discoveries that could lead to. This is the essence of inquiry and science. You question and consider various ways of interpreting the world around you without getting dogmatic about it.

@Cepzeu Wow, great work!

@Garuda Even within India you will find many people who awoke spontaneously without any guru. You confuse tradition with some deeper reality.

The context of this conversation is not every day common life but the highest levels of consciousness and Absolute Truth. The ultimate truth is that suffering is a distinction created by the mind for survival purposes. But this will not help a person who is not highly conscious. It does no good telling a child who lost his mother than his mother was just something he imagined, even though that is 100% true! Truth is a radical thing. You can imagine whatever horror stories you want but it does not change the Truth. "Real" vs imaginary is a duality you are creating. It does no good to believe it, you must be actually conscious that this is so. If you are not conscious of it, it will not help you. Just because something is extremely painful does not make it any less imaginary. Do not confuse pain as evidence of "reality."

Nonduality/God is not a confirmation bias or a mental projection. Psychedelic effects are very consistent as the science shows.

Be careful not to get lost in forms and imagery. All of that imagery is your own imagination. God is YOU! Don't overlook that. It takes more trips to realize it.

@Garuda So by your logic Hindus are the only humans to discover God? Lol All of those lineages are imaginary. You don't need a lineage to discover God because you are God! All lineages start and end with YOU.

By your logic no one could ever become enlightened since he would need a guru, and his guru would need a guru, and so on, to infinity. How did the very first guru become enlightened? Obviously he had no guru. Obviously it's possible to become enlightened without a guru. And the most advanced people become enlightened on their own. The Buddha was not following any guru. There are many examples in history of people doing it on their own. It's also important to distinguish simply learning or getting advice from a teaching and devoting your life to following a guru. These are very different things. What I was talking about is devoting your life to a guru as a path to awakening. This is a poor path in my opinion. Getting advice from gurus is not a problem. The problem is when you start to expect the guru to be your actual vehicle to awakening. In that case you are using the guru exactly as one would use a psychedelic. Instead of a chemical guru you've found a human meat flesh guru. No, exceptional people have done it and can do it. But the average person cannot. You have to distinguish between freaks of nature and average people. Let's not pretend that everyone is like Sadhguru or the Buddha in their capabilities. My advice is for average people, not supernatural freaks (who don't need any advice). He was a freak. Don't compare average spiritual students to him. If you are like Ramana Maharshi, you don't need 5-MeO-DMT. But for the rest of us, there is 5-MeO-DMT to help speed up the way. It's like you're saying that just because some radical guy climbed Everest on his hands and feet that nobody needs helicopters or airplanes. Average people need assistance. A handful of freaks do not.

@Peo Actual and imaginary are ONE! Notice how your questions contain dualistic assumptions. You assume something other than imagination is possible. Well, you're imagining that! Imagination has no opposite since any opposite would itself be imaginary.

We have zero evidence that people have become as conscious via a human guru as a 5-MeO-DMT peak. I highly doubt it. People who follow and depend upon human gurus, in my experience, are not very conscious at all. Which is precisely why they worship the guru. They are not conscious enough to realize that their guru is purely their own imagination at work. If they realized that, they'd stop worshiping the guru. What I'm saying is, anyone who claims to be enlightened, I don't trust that they have gone all the way. They have some degree of realization, but probably not a very deep one. And if they follow any guru, I certainly don't trust them. Which is not to say the guru is bad or wrong. It's just not an effective method of being highly conscious. People do it because they have not other options, no other tools. If they had 5-MeO-DMT they would realize the foolishness of following another human being or listening to any verbal teachings. Verbal teachings are garbage, and even practices are too weak. And even the guru's shaktipat will be too weak to reach the levels of consciousness I am talking about. Those are only good when you have nothing better.

Other way around: his body died upon fully realizing himself as God.

1 hr or less is ideal. Suffering and pain are of course imaginary. You are imagining the distinction between pleasure and pain. It takes enormous consciousness to be aware of this because pain is most directly related to ego and survival. Do not underestimate the power of survival. It is second only to Truth. Do not quote JP to me. He has no idea what he is talking about. Imaginary is EVERYTHING, including your distinction between real and imaginary.

God-realized