Leo is wrong about random mutation

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Scholar said:

So, the odds of it happening are actually 100%, that's how the universe is designed.

Calling that random is rather silly though. Which is my point.

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Calling that random is rather silly though. Which is my point.

I never called the whole process random, I am saying randomness/freedom is a necessary component to the overall dynamic.

 

The nature of self-discovery is a maximization of variety, and this is only achieved through degrees of ontological freedom.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Scholar

[Leo Gura]

Where is the freedom if life is 100% baked into the lottery?

[nuwu]

@Scholar I wasn’t suggesting the theory is wrong, nor excessively dependent on classical logic. Randomness as a theoretical abstraction over infinite potential yields plausible internal consistency, since there is no perceptible difference between noise and non-noise induced absolute infinity, but the symbolism is misleading. Nothing exists outside consciousness.

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nature contains degrees of freedom

Consciousness is free to imagine itself confined, but it does not invalidate absolute freedom.

[Scholar]

14 minutes ago, nuwu said:

@Scholar I wasn’t suggesting the theory is wrong, nor excessively dependent on classical logic. Randomness as a theoretical abstraction over infinite potential yields plausible internal consistency, since there is no perceptible difference between noise and non-noise induced absolute infinity, but the symbolism is misleading. Nothing exists outside consciousness.

Consciousness is free to imagine itself confined, but it does not invalidate absolute freedom.

Well, of course, it's free to imagine itself confined.

I don't think the symbolism is misleading. Consciousness is another word for existence, and anything that exists constitutes existence.

[Scholar]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Where is the freedom if life is 100% baked into the lottery?

Your understanding of randomness, and therefore freedom, is the problem here. This comparison is not even worth engaging in.

 

In your world, there are no degrees of freedom, there is no potential in anything. Infinity cannot possibly express itself other than in a rigid crystallized manner. That's not how life works, life is free and organic. Just because your ego doesn't like the idea of it doesn't make it untrue.

You are just scared of lack of control, which is precisely what freedom is.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Scholar

[Carl-Richard]

Now I understand why the logical positivists rejected metaphysics.

[Scholar]

31 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Now I understand why the logical positivists rejected metaphysics.

This does not surprise me considering your main cognitive mode.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Scholar

[MuadDib]

Randomness is probably just a human mental construction that is projected onto an underlying reality that has nothing to do with randomness.

Like that random number 1-10 you chose.

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by MuadDib