Ultimate guide to burning through Karma and working through trauma

[Enigma777]

This post if for people who go deep into the woo-woo aspects spirituality too early without having a proper foundation in the first place. 
The photo linked below is a map that precisely traces the path of many people in spiritual communities. Below is my brief breakdown of the map.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0c9-5VZahEzKUcuLVuG2Wwjiw

The foundation of our whole lives is built in the first 10 years of your lives. What you project on your parent figures and how they modeled survival to you is going the determine in profound ways how you are going to adapt and relate(survive) to the world later on. If your parents were pathological your degree of pathology will likely be similar to theirs and you will have to work through the karma they passed unto you before you can even hope to reach higher paradigms of development. Many suffering people have early awakenings but then try to bypass the lower levels of development(social skills, money, social status, dating etc) on their path which is a terrible mistake. 
 

The map linked above is the archetypal depiction of the journey of most of these poor souls.

 

First you have the childhood stage of development where you project yourself unto your parents and through your relat-ionship(relating!) with them you learn how to relate to yourself and to the world and thus the ways in which you are going to preserve your individuality which is the primary mission of the body-mind complex(survival). There’s a continuum of attachment; on one side you have totally insecure attachment and on the other side you have perfectly secure attachment. Insecure attachment could also be called maladaptive relating aka relating to the world in a way that is not conducive to the highest expression of your being. The energy(libido, in jungian terms) that wouldve been supposed to go into authentic self expression, with the insecurely attached individual, is being mobilized(contracted in various patterns of frequencies that create different but archetypal pathologies in different individuals like “nice guy syndrome”, narcissism, anxiety disorders, depression, social anxiety etc) to protect yourself from expected threats in your environment; and the expected threats are always projected(through the anima or relating function that your parents shaped through projection and reflection) based upon the abuse(physical, psychological etc) that you suffered in your environment growing up.

So the mind body-complex, living in the past, projects the anticipation of a potential threat in the environment because of learned survival patterns of behavior. And because “as within so without” the projection creates a self fulfilling prophecy in the form of a traumatizing and negative outcome and that’s how you loop on trauma and karma. Think of your environment as the mold and yourself as the cake. Whatever shape the mold was, is the way you become. Because, before becoming an actual cake(individual) you are an abstract set of potential outcomes that is unactualized, and the way into which you shape yourself is dependent upon the energetic dynamics that you swim into in early phases of development. You only manifest from potential into actuality through your early environment. That’s  how you create your reality. The more pathological and low consciousness your parents psyches were the more you are going to be pathological yourself. And there are archetypal patterns playing out that will create different outcomes. Certain patterns of behaviors(archetypes) exhibited by parents repeatedly and predictively create the same patterns and personalities in different individuals because the material world is finite so there is a finite number of possibilities of surviving which means that there is recognizable patterns that are born through different types of parent-child relationships. Here’s a few parent child pathological dynamics that we can see recurring through time: Over-protective(dark) mother, Absent(cold) mother, manipulative/shaming mother(often overprotective and shaming goes hand in hand shaming used as coercive tool to control). 
Insecure/weak/passive Father, absent father/ abusive father.

 

 

This first stage of development in this model, is called, the Freudian stage because it deals with early adaptation and the way in which you learn to relate to the world. How you relate corresponds in part to how you express your instincts. Remember, as within so without, whatever relationship you have with yourself internally will be mirrored externally through behavior. And what are the primary influences through which you learn to develop a relationship(relate) with yourself? Your parents. As much as, As within so Without, we could say that, “as your parents so the world”.

Pathological relationship to father(archetypal masculine) figure could mean, maladaptive relationship to authority, fear of confrontation, inability to set boundaries, insecurity, hatred problems, feeling weak, dark intimidating world(world is dangerous)  etc.

Pathological relationship to mother could mean self-hate, Shame, despair, chronic melancholia(anima moods in jungian terms), addiction(protector part trying to soothe despair in IFS terms), maladaptive relating to woman etc.(if you are a woman slightly different but in the end similar patterns it’s just that it’s the animus not anima).

So again this is extremely broad because that’s a general assessment and not a targeted analysis of a specific individual and there’s sooo many mixes of patterns possible that they can’t all be listed here. But in synthesis the first stage of development namely the Freudian stage dictates the way in which you learn to relate to life inside and outside and depending on your parents shadows, complexes and traumas you will be shaped accordingly to these patterns. If you developed secure attachment much work won’t need to be done but for the smaller percentage of sick and suffering people work will need to be done and the amount of work necessary will be directly in correlation to the amount of trauma and in the end all that trauma is, is fragmentation or, the degree to which you’ve been misdirected(sin, miss the mark, devil etc) from your authentic self expression. 


 

The second stage is the Adlerian stage of development. Freud was more interested in primal instinctive drives but Adler was more focused on social relating and how to find meaning purpose and all that self development stuff. Accordingly the next stage is called the Jungian because of his inclination towards the shmystical airy fairy woowoo etc. So the map goes like this; first Freud which I outlined briefly but deeply, then Adler aka first theres the initial environment of the family and after that there’s the broader world that opens itself up to the grown up kid(teenager). So because of the earlier childhood pathologies and inferiority or superiority complex will have been developed in the individual and with it, a maladaptation to instincts and thus a maladaptive relationship to the outside world and thus a wound to the fundamental desire to experience life fully and express yourself as yourself in the world. A wound to social adaptation because of the underlying instinctive frustration coming from a misalignment with the true self, misalignment which is kept alive by parental complexes.

➡️Following this relative or total failure to adapt socially there’s a following depression and loss of meaning that can either be fairly bearable or a complete mental breakdown

➡️Following this there’s an intuitively driven need to compensate for this lack of meaning. The root cause(namely, disconnection from self) not yet being understood, a number of compensatory behaviors and interests will arise in consciousness in the forms of addiction, identity politics, internet gurus, pop psychology, Nietzsche, armchair neurotic pseudo-philosophy, psychedelics, no-fap, fear of the collective shadow(because of projection of inner darkness into the mysterious collective; often this takes the form of conspiracy theories), delusion, using ideas to inflate ego to compensate for feeling inadequate, schizoid traits etc.

➡️ After this follows a personal crisis sometimes caused by the use of psychedelics and sometimes, signs of mental illness as a sign from the unconscious that enough is enough and that it is time for true healing and self expression…

 

Then naturally follows the 3rd stage, namely the Jungian stage. Following the personal crisis generally comes a katabasis(descent into hell/Hades aka the unconscious). Throught this descent in the unconscious, the traveler discovers the existence of what was previously hidden from him; monsters, shadows, demons, complexes, traumas, painful truths etc. Overall it is a life changing experience that forces one to realign to the new context provided by his new discoveries.

This accute awareness of all his inadequacies forces him to make a radical change, namely to dissolve the rotted foundations of his traumatized psyche through the power of redemptive love and coagulate(solve y coagula:)) the pure elements left after the dissolution into a new, refined form. But to do this he must spend some time traveling into the depths of Hades, exploring the underworld(the lower part of his psyche in Psychosynthesis) in order to develop a thorough understanding of who he is, why he became who he is, the patterns of energy and influences that molded him etc. After having developed a total understanding of his personal self there gradually develops an awareness(through visions, dreams, intuitions) of his true self outside the ripple of trauma patterns that shaped his old self. In this process, because of an understanding of the Freudian and Adlerian pathologies at work in his psyche, he discovers Freud and Adler to be presursors to Jung. He also realizes that no amount of meditation, philosophy or psychedelics will do anything about this situation and it is only in the real world that he’s gonna be able to truly self actualize into the authentic radiant being that he is at the core of his being.

The next step of his journey after having been throught this dark night of the soul into hades is to consciously connect with the Anabasis(ascent) process. He can only ascend after having developed a perfect understanding of himself thorough and thorough and an awareness of his true self. Having done that the ascent will consist in dissolving(through awareness/love) the inauthentic parts of himself and coagulating into a coherent harmonious whole the authentic parts of himself. This is the process of self actualization and individuation. This is TRUE self help, not nofap cold showers gym bullshit

➡️Through anabasis comes the uncovering of the authentic personal myth with full engagement. The process of attaining authentic self expression, which the psyche yearns for naturally, is sped up through conscious participation into the whole process until individuation is attained. Alongside this process, many people will want to have a lot of sex, make a bunch of money, build a network, travel the world etc in order to burn through karma and fulfill desires they didn’t have the chance to fulfill while lost in an unconscious existence possessed by their parental and cultural influences. And this, my friends, is truly burning thought karma in the most fundamental sense. The exhaustion of the individual ego through complete maturation of it. And through the process, sucking the world dry before transcending it. 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Enigma777

[Enigma777]

Of course this is an ultimate guide in a abbreviated fashion but it is the essential guide to burning through karma. Without this frame of reference, some people could fall prone to addictions and the like by trying to burn through their karma because of a lack of understanding of deeper dynamics going on. It is probably a minority but we see too often in spiritual communities, people who have failed to adapt in a healthy way to the outside world trying to rush into spirituality. For most of these folks, I think the map linked and detailed above is the best tool imaginable and potentially life saving. There’s definitely this group of people in Leo’s audience so I hope it will help any suffering soul find the light.

here’s an helpful set of videos related to this process:

 

 

 

[Kshantivadin]

Thank you for the post. So what are the concrete ways to heal trauma, and what are the concrete ways to become integrous? 

[Enigma777]

19 hours ago, Kshantivadin said:

Thank you for the post. So what are the concrete ways to heal trauma, and what are the concrete ways to become integrous? 

After having obtained a thorough intellectual understanding of your condition(and don’t underestimate theory, it is the basis which even makes practice possible), the very first step is simply conscious awareness; without consciousness there is no change. Interrupting pre-programmed automatic patterns of behavior tainted by past trauma through dissolving them in a now moment with the power of awareness. Mindfulness must be cultivated through some practice(like Vipassana for example which is the best for this sort of thing). Also, awareness and interruptions of past patterns in each now moment in which they arise won’t be enough as, most of the time, the momentum of the past is too strong. Two other things must be done in order to properly integrate. 

1st is to find the ROOT CAUSE of that behavior. Then, you must practice certain rituals for healing your trauma through visualization and letting God’s higher understanding purify the lower, unrefined and traumatized parts of your psyche. If this isn’t understood the student must cultivate more awareness. Anyway the best known practice that I’ve found to do this is IFS therapy by Dick Schwartz. Check it out, you really don’t need much more in order to heal trauma, as his yellow model of therapy goes deep in your unconscious to target the aforementioned root of any pathological(unaligned,fragmented,lower) pattern of behavior/way of being. 

The 2nd thing you must do is, according to the formula “dissolve and coagulate”, coagulate. Awareness and dissolution of trauma through God’s redemptive Love is the first step of dissolution. But after dissolving some pathological pattern, you must integrate a new, authentic way of being that is in alignement with your innermost self, untainted by previous trauma energy. So you dissolve the ripple of trauma doing the above and you integrate new behaviors and ways of being that are free from lower density energy. Coagulating is bringing back together the purified parts of your psyche after dissolution(healing) into a new, coherent whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. And this whole is the individuated self, the authentic, flowing, spontaneous, balanced self that is new in each moment instead of being rule by the patterns of the past. The nature of trauma is that it fractures your psyche. Only Love can reunite the opposites. Through unifying the opposites the energy centres align and you have more energy, as the old frozen energy that was working to protect you by contracting your energy in different ways is now released and available to you for uninhibited self expression.
Any form of energetic contraction will manifest in physical contraction like not projecting your voice, chest closed, submissive body language, awkwardness, muscle contraction, passive and weak eye contact and just many neurotic holding patterns. They could also manifest themselves as compasatory behaviors like acting fake confident etc etc.

 

So, in conclusion, follow these steps:

1: Develop a thorough, extremely deep understanding of your psyche. Good methods include: Spiral dynamics, EDT, Psychoanalysis, Psychosynthesis. 

2: After having identified the fragmented parts of your psyche and found the root cause of your trauma your job is to heal(dissolve) it. Good methods include: Awareness(mindfulness practice,Vipassana), IFS therapy, Psychosynthesis, bioenergetics, Psychedelics(be extremely careful with those)

3: After enough dissolution(you don’t need to be “completely” healed but you do need to be quite far on the journey of healing before integrating) and healing, your psyche will naturally start to present to your conscious mind vision, intuitions, dreams, urges etc of a “new” you. You’ll catch yourself envisioning a new future, new behaviors, new ways of being in the world. It is a message from your psyche that the natural process of healing and integration is coming to maturation and that it’s time for you to follow the visions and grow as the new person that your mind is showing you. Your job is to integrate these visions and this higher self and BECOME that ideal, authentic self. Good methods for this are: Joe dispenza’s teachings, Philip Attar’s teachings, affirmations(words that you repeat to yourself coupled with a powerful emotion), some meditations where you bring high vibrational energy in your energy system(Aaron doughty’s meditations are good), and just rituals and general where you take a part of yourself that you had trouble expressing(whether it be emotional expression, masculine aggression etc) and you summon the energy that you want to express through music, dancing/movement, screams etc and then you aim to take that new energy out into the world(integrate it).

do not skip over these stages. They will of course overlap but don’t try to rush it. Individuation is a natural process. Yes you speed it up by engaging consciously with it but you must use your intuition and be honest to yourself about where you are at.  Starting a practice you are not ready for and aiming at integration when you barely know yourself and barely healed anything would slow the process down at best and at worst could end up in a mental breakdown of some sort. Be careful but diligent, pace yourself, take your time, be wise about it enjoy life and you’ll end up where you’re destined to be at the right time. Trust God

Much love.

Edited March 19, 2023 by Enigma777

[Kshantivadin]

Thank you ?

[jimwell]

On 3/16/2023 at 6:15 AM, Enigma777 said:

The process of attaining authentic self expression, which the psyche yearns for naturally, is sped up through conscious participation into the whole process until individuation is attained. Alongside this process, many people will want to have a lot of sex, make a bunch of money, build a network, travel the world etc in order to burn through karma and fulfill desires they didn’t have the chance to fulfill while lost in an unconscious existence possessed by their parental and cultural influences. And this, my friends, is truly burning thought karma in the most fundamental sense. The exhaustion of the individual ego through complete maturation of it. And through the process, sucking the world dry before transcending it. 

Yes, it should be that way. It's a very long, painful process, at least 1 decade if you were extremely abused as a kid. But it's worth it. Rectifying your destroyed soul is always worth it and should be top priority.

Within that process is also the start of your spiritual path (but it's not spiritual bypassing). 

On 3/16/2023 at 6:15 AM, Enigma777 said:

 

 

[SamC]

On 2023-03-15 at 11:15 PM, Enigma777 said:

This post if for people who go deep into the woo-woo aspects spirituality too early without having a proper foundation in the first place. 
The photo linked below is a map that precisely traces the path of many people in spiritual communities. Below is my brief breakdown of the map.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0c9-5VZahEzKUcuLVuG2Wwjiw

The foundation of our whole lives is built in the first 10 years of your lives. What you project on your parent figures and how they modeled survival to you is going the determine in profound ways how you are going to adapt and relate(survive) to the world later on. If your parents were pathological your degree of pathology will likely be similar to theirs and you will have to work through the karma they passed unto you before you can even hope to reach higher paradigms of development. Many suffering people have early awakenings but then try to bypass the lower levels of development(social skills, money, social status, dating etc) on their path which is a terrible mistake. 
 

The map linked above is the archetypal depiction of the journey of most of these poor souls.

 

First you have the childhood stage of development where you project yourself unto your parents and through your relat-ionship(relating!) with them you learn how to relate to yourself and to the world and thus the ways in which you are going to preserve your individuality which is the primary mission of the body-mind complex(survival). There’s a continuum of attachment; on one side you have totally insecure attachment and on the other side you have perfectly secure attachment. Insecure attachment could also be called maladaptive relating aka relating to the world in a way that is not conducive to the highest expression of your being. The energy(libido, in jungian terms) that wouldve been supposed to go into authentic self expression, with the insecurely attached individual, is being mobilized(contracted in various patterns of frequencies that create different but archetypal pathologies in different individuals like “nice guy syndrome”, narcissism, anxiety disorders, depression, social anxiety etc) to protect yourself from expected threats in your environment; and the expected threats are always projected(through the anima or relating function that your parents shaped through projection and reflection) based upon the abuse(physical, psychological etc) that you suffered in your environment growing up.

So the mind body-complex, living in the past, projects the anticipation of a potential threat in the environment because of learned survival patterns of behavior. And because “as within so without” the projection creates a self fulfilling prophecy in the form of a traumatizing and negative outcome and that’s how you loop on trauma and karma. Think of your environment as the mold and yourself as the cake. Whatever shape the mold was, is the way you become. Because, before becoming an actual cake(individual) you are an abstract set of potential outcomes that is unactualized, and the way into which you shape yourself is dependent upon the energetic dynamics that you swim into in early phases of development. You only manifest from potential into actuality through your early environment. That’s  how you create your reality. The more pathological and low consciousness your parents psyches were the more you are going to be pathological yourself. And there are archetypal patterns playing out that will create different outcomes. Certain patterns of behaviors(archetypes) exhibited by parents repeatedly and predictively create the same patterns and personalities in different individuals because the material world is finite so there is a finite number of possibilities of surviving which means that there is recognizable patterns that are born through different types of parent-child relationships. Here’s a few parent child pathological dynamics that we can see recurring through time: Over-protective(dark) mother, Absent(cold) mother, manipulative/shaming mother(often overprotective and shaming goes hand in hand shaming used as coercive tool to control). 
Insecure/weak/passive Father, absent father/ abusive father.

 

 

This first stage of development in this model, is called, the Freudian stage because it deals with early adaptation and the way in which you learn to relate to the world. How you relate corresponds in part to how you express your instincts. Remember, as within so without, whatever relationship you have with yourself internally will be mirrored externally through behavior. And what are the primary influences through which you learn to develop a relationship(relate) with yourself? Your parents. As much as, As within so Without, we could say that, “as your parents so the world”.

Pathological relationship to father(archetypal masculine) figure could mean, maladaptive relationship to authority, fear of confrontation, inability to set boundaries, insecurity, hatred problems, feeling weak, dark intimidating world(world is dangerous)  etc.

Pathological relationship to mother could mean self-hate, Shame, despair, chronic melancholia(anima moods in jungian terms), addiction(protector part trying to soothe despair in IFS terms), maladaptive relating to woman etc.(if you are a woman slightly different but in the end similar patterns it’s just that it’s the animus not anima).

So again this is extremely broad because that’s a general assessment and not a targeted analysis of a specific individual and there’s sooo many mixes of patterns possible that they can’t all be listed here. But in synthesis the first stage of development namely the Freudian stage dictates the way in which you learn to relate to life inside and outside and depending on your parents shadows, complexes and traumas you will be shaped accordingly to these patterns. If you developed secure attachment much work won’t need to be done but for the smaller percentage of sick and suffering people work will need to be done and the amount of work necessary will be directly in correlation to the amount of trauma and in the end all that trauma is, is fragmentation or, the degree to which you’ve been misdirected(sin, miss the mark, devil etc) from your authentic self expression. 


 

The second stage is the Adlerian stage of development. Freud was more interested in primal instinctive drives but Adler was more focused on social relating and how to find meaning purpose and all that self development stuff. Accordingly the next stage is called the Jungian because of his inclination towards the shmystical airy fairy woowoo etc. So the map goes like this; first Freud which I outlined briefly but deeply, then Adler aka first theres the initial environment of the family and after that there’s the broader world that opens itself up to the grown up kid(teenager). So because of the earlier childhood pathologies and inferiority or superiority complex will have been developed in the individual and with it, a maladaptation to instincts and thus a maladaptive relationship to the outside world and thus a wound to the fundamental desire to experience life fully and express yourself as yourself in the world. A wound to social adaptation because of the underlying instinctive frustration coming from a misalignment with the true self, misalignment which is kept alive by parental complexes.

➡️Following this relative or total failure to adapt socially there’s a following depression and loss of meaning that can either be fairly bearable or a complete mental breakdown

➡️Following this there’s an intuitively driven need to compensate for this lack of meaning. The root cause(namely, disconnection from self) not yet being understood, a number of compensatory behaviors and interests will arise in consciousness in the forms of addiction, identity politics, internet gurus, pop psychology, Nietzsche, armchair neurotic pseudo-philosophy, psychedelics, no-fap, fear of the collective shadow(because of projection of inner darkness into the mysterious collective; often this takes the form of conspiracy theories), delusion, using ideas to inflate ego to compensate for feeling inadequate, schizoid traits etc.

➡️ After this follows a personal crisis sometimes caused by the use of psychedelics and sometimes, signs of mental illness as a sign from the unconscious that enough is enough and that it is time for true healing and self expression…

 

Then naturally follows the 3rd stage, namely the Jungian stage. Following the personal crisis generally comes a katabasis(descent into hell/Hades aka the unconscious). Throught this descent in the unconscious, the traveler discovers the existence of what was previously hidden from him; monsters, shadows, demons, complexes, traumas, painful truths etc. Overall it is a life changing experience that forces one to realign to the new context provided by his new discoveries.

This accute awareness of all his inadequacies forces him to make a radical change, namely to dissolve the rotted foundations of his traumatized psyche through the power of redemptive love and coagulate(solve y coagula:)) the pure elements left after the dissolution into a new, refined form. But to do this he must spend some time traveling into the depths of Hades, exploring the underworld(the lower part of his psyche in Psychosynthesis) in order to develop a thorough understanding of who he is, why he became who he is, the patterns of energy and influences that molded him etc. After having developed a total understanding of his personal self there gradually develops an awareness(through visions, dreams, intuitions) of his true self outside the ripple of trauma patterns that shaped his old self. In this process, because of an understanding of the Freudian and Adlerian pathologies at work in his psyche, he discovers Freud and Adler to be presursors to Jung. He also realizes that no amount of meditation, philosophy or psychedelics will do anything about this situation and it is only in the real world that he’s gonna be able to truly self actualize into the authentic radiant being that he is at the core of his being.

The next step of his journey after having been throught this dark night of the soul into hades is to consciously connect with the Anabasis(ascent) process. He can only ascend after having developed a perfect understanding of himself thorough and thorough and an awareness of his true self. Having done that the ascent will consist in dissolving(through awareness/love) the inauthentic parts of himself and coagulating into a coherent harmonious whole the authentic parts of himself. This is the process of self actualization and individuation. This is TRUE self help, not nofap cold showers gym bullshit

➡️Through anabasis comes the uncovering of the authentic personal myth with full engagement. The process of attaining authentic self expression, which the psyche yearns for naturally, is sped up through conscious participation into the whole process until individuation is attained. Alongside this process, many people will want to have a lot of sex, make a bunch of money, build a network, travel the world etc in order to burn through karma and fulfill desires they didn’t have the chance to fulfill while lost in an unconscious existence possessed by their parental and cultural influences. And this, my friends, is truly burning thought karma in the most fundamental sense. The exhaustion of the individual ego through complete maturation of it. And through the process, sucking the world dry before transcending it. 

What is the role of spirituallity then if it's about finding a way to relate to the outside world? Does this mean we should neglect spirituallity? Or maybe that we need to let it go to become it? ( to embody it)

[Enigma777]

1 hour ago, SamC said:

What is the role of spirituallity then if it's about finding a way to relate to the outside world? Does this mean we should neglect spirituallity? Or maybe that we need to let it go to become it? ( to embody it)

Spirituality fundamentally refers to connecting to the transcendent aspect of yourself, the greater, expanded consciousness not limited by the selfish ego. The thing is that before transcendence, you need integration. I suggest you watch Leo’s video about burning through karma if you haven’t.

In some traditions the teachings of spirituality are divided into 2 categories: The Lesser Mysteries which are concerned with the purification and integration of the ego(healing trauma, integrating shadows etc) and the Greater Mysteries which are concerned with pure transcendence(turquoise spiral dynamics). Consciousness evolves in stages and transcendence is the highest point of evolution. Spiral dynamics is the model of consciousness that is closest to representing consciousness’ as evolution in stages. I suggest you study it thoroughly and get a grip of where you are. According to my observation you still don’t grasp what transcendence is so I consider you look into more orange-yellow level personal Development and see where you are unintegrated and then do the work. Use the methods I mentioned above.

[SamC]

3 minutes ago, Enigma777 said:

According to my observation you still don’t grasp what transcendence is so I consider you look into more orange-yellow level personal Development and see where you are unintegrated and then do the work. Use the methods I mentioned above.

@Enigma777 What is your observation? 

[Zu An]

On 3/15/2023 at 6:15 PM, Enigma777 said:

The photo linked below is a map that precisely traces the path of many people in spiritual communities. Below is my brief breakdown of the map.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0c9-5VZahEzKUcuLVuG2Wwjiw

Hey @Enigma777, can you reshare this? It's not available to view.

Found a lot of value from this post, btw.

Edited May 29 by Zu An

[Deziree]

On 16/03/2023 at 3:45 AM, Enigma777 said:

Pathological relationship to father(archetypal masculine) figure could mean, maladaptive relationship to authority, fear of confrontation, inability to set boundaries, insecurity, hatred problems, feeling weak, dark intimidating world(world is dangerous)  etc.

This is definitely true in my experience. Will bookmark this post. 

[Zu An]

hey @SamC @Kshantivadin @jimwell
 

Do one of you have the image that @Enigma777 shared at the beginning of his original post. It's not available and super curious about the breakdown.
 

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The photo linked below is a map that precisely traces the path of many people in spiritual communities. Below is my brief breakdown of the map.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0c9-5VZahEzKUcuLVuG2Wwjiw

 

[jimwell]

No, I don't.

[Luke W]

@Zu An yeah i want to see the map aswell ngl

[Enigma777]

@Zu An @Luke W Here:

 

[Enigma777]

This video breaks it down; kinda technical, you need to know some Freud, Jung etc but it’s not that hard once you get it

Didn’t think that post from 2023 still got attention lol, my writing was absolutely terrible, hope it was still clear enough though.

There’s real gold in this content for those who need it; Grasp it and ascend to your appointed destiny, and don’t let anything get in your way. You got this. 

Edited November 11 by Enigma777

[Enigma777]

On 2025-06-06 at 8:05 PM, Deziree said:

This is definitely true in my experience. Will bookmark this post. 

I am a guy so obviously I wrote more from a man’s perspective, and even though there are obvious overlaps, it plays out quite differently depending on your gender.

If you wanna dive deeper, Carl Jung goes into a lot of this; anima-animus patterns, complexes, shadows etc. It’s technical but it’s worth it; understanding helps awareness which in turns helps healing and growth.   

“Man and his symbols” is an excellent intro. 

[Enigma777]

Here’s a polished and rigorous version of my original post; enjoy if you’re a nerd: 

Psychogenetic Development: A Tripartite Model of Ontogenetic Unfoldment

Prolegomena: The Archetypal Structure of Psychological Maturation

The trajectory of human psychological development follows an archetypal pattern encoded within the genome yet activated and shaped through environmental interaction. This essay proposes a tripartite model synthesizing the insights of Freud, Adler, and Jung into a coherent developmental framework corresponding to three successive stages of ontogenetic unfoldment: the Freudian Stage (primary attachment and instinctual relating), the Adlerian Stage (social adaptation and meaning-making), and the Jungian Stage (individuation and self-realization).

Each stage builds upon and presupposes its predecessor. Pathology at any given stage creates developmental arrest, requiring conscious therapeutic work before progression to subsequent stages becomes possible. This model accounts for the observation that premature spiritual awakening—absent integration of earlier developmental achievements—inevitably results in what contemporary psychology terms "spiritual bypassing": the use of transcendent states to avoid rather than resolve foundational psychological wounds.

Stage I: The Freudian Foundation — Primary Attachment and Instinctual Relating

The Formative Crucible

The first decade of life constitutes the formative crucible within which the fundamental patterns of psychic life are established. During this period, the child's nascent ego organizes itself in response to two primary factors: (1) the quality of attachment bonds with parental figures, and (2) the behavioral modeling of survival strategies exhibited by these figures.

The attachment relationship functions as what Winnicott termed a "facilitating environment"—the psychosocial matrix through which the child learns the fundamental grammar of relating: to self, to others, to world. Secure attachment provides the ontological foundation for authentic self-expression; insecure attachment necessitates the development of defensive structures that fragment and distort this expression.

The Mechanics of Psychic Formation

Following the principle of psychic economy, the developing organism allocates its available libidinal energy (in Jung's sense of undifferentiated psychic vitality) according to the demands of its environment. In conditions of secure attachment, this energy flows naturally toward exploration, creativity, and authentic self-expression. Under conditions of insecure attachment, however, this same energy becomes bound in defensive operations designed to protect against anticipated environmental threats.

These defensive structures manifest as what depth psychology recognizes as complexes: autonomous psychic formations organized around traumatic nuclei, each possessing its own energetic/affective charge and behavioral patterns. Common manifestations include the "nice guy syndrome" (defensive compliance masking underlying aggression), narcissistic defenses (grandiose compensation for core shame), and various anxiety disorders (hypervigilance stemming from early environmental unpredictability).

The Principle of Projective Identification

The mechanism through which parental pathology transmits to offspring operates according to what object relations theory terms projective identification: the child internalizes not merely the conscious behaviors of parental figures but their unconscious psychological structures. As Freud observed, the superego of the child is formed not from the ego of the parents but from their superego—the child inherits the psychological "karma" (in the Eastern sense of causal conditioning) of the parental generation.

This transmission occurs through what we might term energetic imprinting: the child's malleable psyche conforms to the emotional field generated by parental complexes, much as liquid assumes the shape of its container. The internalized object—the psychic representation of the parent—becomes a permanent structural element of the child's personality, continuing to exert its influence long after the original relationship has ended.

Archetypal Patterns of Pathological Relating

Clinical observation reveals recurring patterns of parent-child dynamics that predictably generate specific pathological outcomes:

Maternal Complexes:

The Devouring Mother: Overprotection coupled with shame-based control generates dependency, infantilization, and failure to develop autonomous agency

The Absent Mother: Emotional unavailability or physical absence creates core wounds of unworthiness and shame, manifesting as what Jung termed "anima moods"—chronic melancholy, addiction (as compensatory self-soothing), and difficulties in intimate relating

The Persecutory Mother: Active psychological abuse installs internalized persecution, resulting in harsh superego formation and self-destructive patterns

Paternal Complexes:

The Weak Father: Failure to model healthy masculine authority generates difficulties with self-assertion, boundary-setting, and engagement with hierarchical structures

The Absent Father: Physical or emotional absence creates what Bly termed the "father hunger"—desperate seeking for masculine validation and chronic feelings of inadequacy

The Tyrant Father: Authoritarian abuse generates either identification with the aggressor (repetition of tyranny) or collapse into passivity and resentment

The Internal-External Correspondence

The axiom "as within, so without" expresses the fundamental law of psychic manifestation: the internal organization of the psyche determines the pattern of external experience. Because perception is inherently projective, the traumatized individual unconsciously re-creates the conditions of original trauma in present circumstances—what Freud termed the repetition compulsion.

This creates self-fulfilling prophecies: expecting betrayal, one behaves in ways that invite betrayal; fearing abandonment, one clings in ways that drive others away; anticipating rejection, one preemptively rejects. The past thus perpetually reconstitutes itself in the present through the mechanism of unconscious projection, creating what Eastern traditions recognize as karmic loops—cyclical patterns of suffering sustained by unconscious identification with traumatic conditioning.

Pathological Relating to Archetypal Principles

The quality of relationship to parental figures determines one's relationship to the archetypal principles they represent:

Relationship to Father (Archetypal Masculine/Logos):

Maladaptive relationship to authority and hierarchical structures

Difficulty with assertion, confrontation, and boundary maintenance

Ambivalence toward competition and achievement

Either hypervigilant defensiveness or collapse into passivity when facing conflict

Projection of threat onto the world itself ("the world is dangerous")

Relationship to Mother (Archetypal Feminine/Eros):

Core shame and self-rejection

Chronic depressive affect (what Jung termed anima possession)

Addictive patterns as compensatory self-soothing

Difficulties in intimate relating and emotional vulnerability

For women: troubled relationship to own femininity; for men: idealization or devaluation of the feminine

Summary of Stage I

The Freudian stage establishes the foundational pattern of relating—the basic posture the organism adopts toward existence. This pattern, formed through the internalization of parental objects and their associated affective charges, operates largely outside conscious awareness yet determines the fundamental quality of lived experience. Insecure attachment fragments the natural flow of libido, binding psychic energy in defensive operations rather than creative expression. The degree of pathology present at this stage determines the magnitude of therapeutic work required before developmental progression becomes possible.

Stage II: The Adlerian Transition — Social Adaptation and the Crisis of Meaning

From Family to World

Following the establishment of fundamental relational patterns within the family system, the adolescent encounters a second developmental challenge: social adaptation. Where the Freudian stage concerns instinctual life and primary attachments, the Adlerian stage addresses the individual's capacity to find meaningful place within the broader social world—to develop what Adler termed Gemeinschaftsgefühl (social interest or community feeling).

However, this transition does not occur in a vacuum. The individual enters social reality already bearing the unresolved conflicts and maladaptive patterns established during primary socialization. Pathological object relations, unmetabolized trauma, and defensive character structures now manifest in the arena of peer relationships, romantic partnerships, educational institutions, and eventually professional life.

The Genesis of Inferiority

Adler's central insight concerned the universal experience of inferiority feelings arising from the child's objective smallness and dependency. In healthy development, these feelings serve as motivation toward growth and mastery—what Adler termed striving for superiority (not in the sense of domination but of self-actualization and competence).

In pathological development, however, these natural feelings of inferiority become distorted into what Adler termed the inferiority complex: a pervasive sense of deficiency that resists amelioration through actual achievement. This complex emerges directly from the Freudian stage pathologies: the child who internalized parental rejection or inadequacy enters social reality pre-convinced of his own unworthiness.

Paradoxically, some individuals develop a superiority complex—grandiose self-presentation masking underlying inferiority. This represents what contemporary psychology recognizes as narcissistic defense: the creation of a false self that compensates for core shame through fantasies of specialness.

The Wound to Authentic Self-Expression

The maladaptively attached individual approaches social reality from a position of fundamental misalignment with authentic being. The energy that should flow naturally toward creative self-expression remains bound in protective operations. The result is a characteristic pattern: inability to find genuine place in the social order.

This manifests variously as:

Social anxiety and avoidant patterns

Difficulties establishing intimate relationships

Inability to pursue vocational calling

Chronic underachievement relative to potential

Compensatory withdrawal into fantasy or intellectual abstraction

The underlying dynamic is always the same: authentic self-expression feels dangerous because early environment punished or failed to mirror it. The individual therefore presents a false self to the world while the true self remains hidden, unactualized, and increasingly estranged.

The Crisis of Meaning

As social adaptation fails—as the individual finds himself unable to establish satisfying relationships, meaningful work, or genuine community—a predictable crisis emerges: loss of meaning and purpose. This is the existential dimension of the Adlerian stage, corresponding to what Frankl would later term the "existential vacuum."

The severity of this crisis varies according to the degree of underlying Freudian pathology. Some individuals experience manageable depression and dissatisfaction; others undergo complete psychological collapse. In either case, the organism recognizes—however unconsciously—that current life trajectories lead nowhere, that the false self cannot sustain meaningful existence.

Compensatory Solutions and Their Failure

Rather than undertaking the difficult work of addressing root causes (disconnection from authentic self through unresolved attachment trauma), the suffering individual typically pursues what might be termed horizontal compensations: attempts to resolve vertical problems through horizontal means.

These compensatory patterns include:

Addictive behaviors: Substances, pornography, gaming, or other forms of numbing that temporarily relieve existential pain

Identity politics and ideological possession: Substituting collective identity for personal development, finding pseudo-meaning through group membership

Spiritual bypassing: Premature engagement with transcendent philosophies (Eastern religions, psychedelics, non-dual teachings) as escape from psychological work

Intellectual inflation: Using philosophical sophistication to compensate for emotional underdevelopment; armchair philosophizing divorced from embodied practice

Conspiracy theorizing: Projection of inner darkness onto external forces; the unconscious shadow externalized as hidden cabals or malevolent systems

Self-help obsession: Endless consumption of personal development content without implementation; knowledge as defense against transformation

These compensations share a common structure: they provide temporary relief from existential anxiety while systematically avoiding the underlying cause—unresolved developmental trauma and disconnection from authentic self.

The Necessary Crisis

Eventually—whether through the failure of compensatory strategies, psychedelic experiences that shatter defensive structures, or simply the accumulating pressure of unlived life—a personal crisis becomes unavoidable. This crisis represents what Jung termed the confrontation with the unconscious: the moment when the repressed contents of the psyche can no longer be denied.

This crisis may manifest as:

Acute depressive episodes or anxiety

Existential despair and questioning of all previous values

Psychotic breaks or dissociative episodes

Psychosomatic illness

Extreme life circumstances (relationship dissolution, career failure, financial collapse)

From the perspective of the Self (in Jung's sense of the totality of the psyche), this crisis is not pathology but compensatory correction: the unconscious forcing consciousness to recognize what has been denied. It is, in the language of alchemy, the nigredo—the necessary blackening and decomposition that precedes transformation.

Summary of Stage II

The Adlerian stage represents the collision between developmental pathology and social reality. The mal-adapted individual, bearing unresolved Freudian wounds, proves incapable of authentic social participation and meaning-making. The resulting crisis of meaning drives compensatory behaviors that temporarily ameliorate suffering while preventing genuine resolution. This stage either persists unconsciously for the remainder of one’s life(complexes keeping their hold on the individual’s consciousness, repeating pathological patterns through Repetition compulsion) or reaches culmination in an unavoidable personal crisis—the psyche's demand for authentic transformation rather than continued compensation.

Stage III: The Jungian Resolution — Individuation and Self-Realization

The Descent: Katabasis into the Unconscious

The personal crisis marks the threshold of what Jung termed the individuation process—the psychological journey toward wholeness through conscious integration of unconscious contents. This process classically begins with what the Greeks termed katabasis: descent into Hades, journey into the underworld.

In psychological terms, katabasis represents the necessary confrontation with everything previously repressed, denied, or split off from consciousness. The individual must descend into the depths of his own psyche to encounter:

The Personal Shadow: Rejected aspects of personality; qualities deemed unacceptable by ego-consciousness

Complexes and Sub-personalities: Autonomous psychic fragments organized around traumatic nuclei

Parental Imagos: Internalized representations of mother and father, now recognized as psychic structures rather than objective reality

The Wounded Child: The traumatized core of personality formed during the Freudian stage

Collective Shadow Material: Cultural and archetypal contents that have been projected outward

This descent is necessarily painful. It involves what St. John of the Cross termed the dark night of the soul—the dissolution of previous identity structures and the experience of psychological death. All compensatory solutions collapse; all defenses fail. The individual stands naked before the totality of his woundedness.

The Alchemical Operation: Solve et Coagula

The therapeutic work of this stage follows the alchemical principle solve et coagula—dissolution and coagulation. This occurs in three movements:

1. Dissolution (Solve): The first movement requires the conscious recognition and dissolution of inauthentic structures:

Defensive character armor

False self presentations

Internalized parental commands and prohibitions

Traumatic imprints and their associated affects

Compensatory identifications and inflations

This dissolution occurs through what psychoanalysis terms working through: the repeated examination of patterns in various contexts until their structure becomes transparent and their energy dissipates. This is not intellectual understanding but embodied recognition—what Eugene Gendlin termed felt sense, the somatic dimension of psychological truth.

2. Exploration and Integration: Concurrent with dissolution comes exploration of the underworld: the patient, thorough investigation of one's actual psychological structure. This requires:

Psychoanalytic archaeology: Tracing current patterns to developmental origins

Phenomenological examination: Close attention to actual experience rather than conceptual overlays

Shadow integration: Reclaiming split-off aspects of personality

Complex work: Dialoguing with autonomous psychic structures to reduce their compulsive power

Through this process emerges what Assagioli termed psychological synthesis: the gradual integration of fragmented parts into coherent wholeness. The energy previously bound in complexes becomes available for conscious use; the rejected shadow elements enrich rather than undermine personality.

3. Coagulation (Coagula): As inauthentic structures dissolve and authentic elements integrate, a new organization emerges—what Jung termed the individuated personality. This is not created but discovered: it represents the actualization of inherent potential, the unfolding of what was always latently present.

The individuated personality possesses several characteristics:

Authenticity: Behavior aligned with actual values and nature rather than internalized demands

Integration: Previously split aspects now functioning as coordinated whole

Autonomy: Freedom from unconscious compulsions and parental/cultural programming

Vitality: Libido flowing naturally toward creative expression rather than defensive operations

The Recognition of True Self

Central to the Jungian stage is the differentiation between false self and true self (to use Winnicott's terminology). The false self is the adaptive structure developed to survive pathological environment; the true self is the authentic core of being that was forced into hiding.

This recognition often occurs through:

Dreams and visions: The unconscious communicating symbolic representations of Self

Synchronicities: Meaningful coincidences suggesting archetypal guidance

Peak experiences: Moments of alignment with authentic being that reveal the contrast with ordinary consciousness

Therapeutic breakthroughs: Sudden insights that reorganize understanding of one's entire life trajectory

The discovery of true self brings both exhilaration and grief: exhilaration at finally knowing who one actually is; grief at recognizing how much time was spent living inauthentically.

The Ascent: Anabasis toward Actualization

Following adequate depth work, the movement shifts from katabasis (descent) to anabasis (ascent)—from archaeological excavation to constructive building. This represents the actualization phase of individuation: the conscious embodiment of authentic self in actual life.

This phase requires:

1. Dissolution of Remaining Inauthenticity: Through sustained awareness—what Buddhism terms mindfulness—the individual continues to notice and release habitual patterns inconsistent with authentic being. This is the ongoing practice of conscious choice rather than automatic reaction.

2. Embodied Integration: Psychological insight must translate into behavioral change. This is the critical distinction between intellectual understanding and actual transformation. The individual must:

Establish relationships congruent with actual values

Pursue vocational expression aligned with authentic gifts

Develop lifestyle consistent with genuine nature

Express previously repressed aspects of personality

3. Engagement with Personal Myth: Jung recognized that individuation involves discovering one's personal myth—the unique narrative arc that gives coherence and meaning to one's life. This is not invented but uncovered through attention to:

Recurring dreams and symbols

Life patterns and synchronicities

Natural talents and inclinations

The specific shape of one's wounds (which often point toward one's gifts)

The Exhaustion of Ego-Desire

Many individuals at this stage experience what might be termed compensatory fulfillment: the belated satisfaction of desires thwarted during developmental years. Having spent youth and early adulthood trapped in defensive structures, the newly liberated individual often pursues:

Sexual exploration and relationship experiences

Material success and financial achievement

Travel and worldly experience

Social recognition and influence

This is not regression but completion of unlived life. The Eastern traditions term this burning through karma: the exhaustion of personal desires through their conscious fulfillment rather than their repression. Only by fully engaging these desires—by discovering their satisfaction and their ultimate insufficiency—can one genuinely transcend them.

This phase represents the maturation of ego rather than its premature dissolution. The individual must become somebody before he can genuinely become nobody; must establish strong selfhood before authentic self-transcendence becomes possible. This is the resolution of what Wilber identified as the pre/trans fallacy: the distinction between pre-egoic states (infantile fusion) and trans-egoic states (genuine transcendence).

The Preparation for Transcendence

The completion of the Jungian stage—the achievement of individuation(there’s never really “achievement” here, merely thresholds)—represents the fulfillment of personal development. The individual has:

Resolved developmental trauma

Integrated shadow material

Actualized authentic potential

Established meaningful life in the world

Exhausted personal desires through conscious fulfillment

At this point, and only at this point, does genuine spiritual development become possible(the two will overlap, but the lower must take precedence before the higher until a certain threshold of development has been reached). Having completed the psychological work, having established and then transcended ego, the individual stands ready for what the mystical traditions term the Way: the path of genuine transcendence beyond the personal altogether.

But this lies beyond the scope of the present model, which concerns ontogenetic development—the journey from wounded childhood to integrated adulthood. The spiritual journey proper begins where the psychological journey ends.

Synthesis: The Developmental Arc

The tripartite model proposed here describes a necessary sequence:

Stage I (Freudian): Establishment of fundamental relational patterns and instinctual life; formation of core wounds and defensive structures.

Stage II (Adlerian): Collision with social reality; failure of false self; crisis of meaning; recognition that compensatory solutions are insufficient.

Stage III (Jungian): Descent into unconscious; dissolution of false structures; integration of authentic self; ascent toward actualization; exhaustion of personal karma.

Each stage presupposes its predecessor. Attempting to bypass earlier stages—spiritual bypassing, premature non-dual teaching, transcendence without psychological foundation—results in what Wilber terms pre/trans confusion: mistaking pre-egoic states for trans-egoic realization.

The model accounts for the observation that many individuals with early spiritual awakenings or mystical experiences nonetheless remain psychologically underdeveloped, their transcendent insights coexisting with neurotic patterns and relational difficulties. Genuine development requires sequential integration: the conscious working through of each stage before progression to the next becomes stable.

Conclusion: Beyond Self-Help to Self-Actualization

Contemporary "self-help" culture typically offers horizontal solutions to vertical problems: techniques for behavior modification, positive thinking, productivity optimization, and superficial habit change. These approaches—however useful for specific limited goals—systematically avoid the genuine work of transformation.

Authentic self-actualization requires:

Confrontation with developmental trauma (Freudian stage)

Recognition of social adaptation failures (Adlerian stage)

Descent into unconscious depths (Jungian katabasis)

Integration of shadow and authentic self (alchemical solve et coagula)

Embodied actualization in concrete life (Jungian anabasis)

Conscious exhaustion of personal karma

This is not accomplished through cold showers, dietary protocols, or motivational slogans. It requires sustained psychological work, often with therapeutic support, combined with courageous engagement with actual life. It demands what Ricoeur termed the "hermeneutics of suspicion"—the willingness to question everything one has believed about oneself—followed by the "hermeneutics of restoration"—the patient reconstruction of authentic being.

The reward is nothing less than freedom: liberation from unconscious compulsion, recovery of authentic vitality, alignment of life with actual nature, and preparation for genuine spiritual development beyond the personal altogether. This is the promise encoded in the genome, awaiting environmental conditions that permit its unfolding—what the Greeks termed entelechy, the actualization of inherent potential.

The journey is arduous. But for those suffering under the weight of unlived life, fragmented by developmental trauma, lost in compensatory solutions—there is no other way home.