My dreams are about future real life events?

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

wouldnt that be the same then for the idealist? Give me something concrete. You teach this suff.  

I don't teach I share.  It is something to consider, and maybe even something funny to bring up in conversation too.  It is not a waste lol.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't teach I share.  It is something to consider, and maybe even something funny to bring up in conversation too.  It is not a waste lol.

No you teach. I have listened to you videos.  What are you taliking about?

 

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No you teach. I have listened to you videos.  What are you taliking about?

 

I would say the paradox between materialism and idealism and not even too.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I would say the paradox between materialism and idealism and not even too.

There is no paradox between them Joseph stop mixing things around.  It's two disctinctive things.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

There is no paradox between them Joseph stop mixing things around.  It's two disctinctive things.

Oh yeah.  Thanks!

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Oh yeah.  Thanks!

Your so silly lol

 

Edited yesterday at 04:19 AM by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Your so silly lol

 

Are you concerned about the lost soul?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Are you concerned about the lost soul?

NO but you gotta respond to my ode to Mellowmarsh, i'm just to trying at least get her to have a sense of humor.  She has NONE.  

NO fun.

Edited yesterday at 04:22 AM by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

NO but you gotta respond to my ode to Mellowmarsh, i'm just to at least get her to have a sense of humor.  She has NONE.  

NO fun.

I'm not sure what you are doing here honestly.  

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm not sure what you are doing here honestly.  

Just being silly.  Me and Mellow I think we go way back.  She' just so serious all the time.  But whatever let's move on.

She'll never joke around.

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Just being silly.  Me and Mellow I think we go way back.  She' just so serious all the time.  But whatever let's move on.

She'll never joke around.

Everyone is joking around.  I know most of the people on here.  

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

psychotic doesn't mean you're wrong about everything. 

Kindergarteners too.

It's just in this case, they are wrong. Schizophrenia is not just a "Western" disease.

 

9 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

I don't understand your hostility. 

Was that hostile? 😱 Sounds a bit paranoid if you ask me 😛

Edited yesterday at 11:09 AM by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Also that thing I said about schizophrenia being less paranoid in the east I also found with a Google search .

Link?

[Carl-Richard]

@Inliytened1 @Joseph Maynor Wtf are you two guys doing 🙂‍↕️

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Inliytened1 @Joseph Maynor Wtf are you two guys doing 🙂‍↕️

It's a bromance.  You wouldn't understand.

Edited yesterday at 11:38 AM by Inliytened1

[Oppositionless]

@Carl-Richard https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614
 

"The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition."

 

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Kindergarteners too.

It's just in this case, they are wrong. Schizophrenia is not just a "Western" disease.

 

Was that hostile? 😱 Sounds a bit paranoid if you ask me 😛

I am a bit paranoid, lol. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

@Carl-Richard https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614
 

"The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition."

I'm familiar with Tanya Luhrmann, or rather I one time attended as an audience member a live panel where she was one of the speakers. It was actually a discussion touching on psychic phenomena, it was one of the things that made me take it more seriously:

 

Well yes, it's interesting that the voices tended to be predominantly positive according to interviewees from African and Indian cultures but not interviewees from American culture. But of course, this doesn't go very far in supporting the wider claim of "schizophrenia is a Western disease". In non-Western schizophrenics, you still have negative voices, you still have delusions, thought disorder, "negative symptoms" (anhedonia, reduced cognitive functioning, etc.). And such people still get cast out from society for acting out of line. See Robert Sapolsky's research on this particular matter (in this case an African tribe called the Masai):

49:51

 

I think an important lesson of Luhrmann's study is that the framing of "mental illness" or "you're hurt, broken, your genes are dysfunctional, you were hurt in the past and thus you're hurt now" can be significantly hurtful, something I too agree with. I've given an in-depth run-through of this in a slightly different context:

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

54 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm familiar with Tanya Luhrmann, or rather I one time attended as an audience member a live panel where she was one of the speakers. It was actually a discussion touching on psychic phenomena, it was one of the things that made me take it more seriously:

 

Well yes, it's interesting that the voices tended to be predominantly positive according to interviewees from African and Indian cultures but not interviewees from American culture. But of course, this doesn't go very far in supporting the wider claim of "schizophrenia is a Western disease". In non-Western schizophrenics, you still have negative voices, you still have delusions, thought disorder, "negative symptoms" (anhedonia, reduced cognitive functioning, etc.). And such people still get cast out from society for acting out of line. See Robert Sapolsky's research on this particular matter (in this case an African tribe called the Masai):

49:51

 

I think an important lesson of Luhrmann's study is that the framing of "mental illness" or "you're hurt, broken, your genes are dysfunctional, you were hurt in the past and thus you're hurt now" can be significantly hurtful, something I too agree with. I've given an in-depth run-through of this in a slightly different context:

 

I told you already.  This is a dream, with set rules. Schizophrenics see outside the rules, they are able to see outisde of the dream.  That's what it is.

Functioning here isn't the goal, it never was.

Edited 15 hours ago by Inliytened1

[oOo]

It's happened to me more than a few times, dreams of future personal life events.

With the training I have been doing, my dreams are being remembered more and more. 

Secondly, they're so vivid, I literally cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy while I am in them. 

I have had moments in a dream where I will feel a cool breeze against my face and body perfectly symmetrical to what I would otherwise experience in waking reality, the coldness of my hands against a tin roof, the slightest expression of a persons eyes as I made contact. The whole experience would feel utterly as real as I can be, even though I would have memories of where I was last while in the dream, my brain would convince itself that this is actually the real world. 

Recently following these unfolding experiences day to day now, I then connected the relationship between the simulation hypothesis' proposition that reality is created in the moment from direct perception and unfolds the moment we are conscious of it, with the very nature of how dreams arguably work. That is, that there is not a world "out there" but that this world creates itself in real time in the moment following the relationship between direct perception of our dream and its or what becomes a co-creative reality itself. What I find particularly fascinating is the symmetry between the co-creative relationship we have with waking reality remarkably being very similar with our sleeping reality as well, at least for me.

Perhaps the relationship between the two actually moves the other way, that is that the simulation hypothesis is derived from the way in which dreams supposedly work rather than the workings of dreams themselves being a useful model for the way reality works. 

Irrespectively, even though I still gotta learn how to lucid dream, the fact that my sleeping dream world cannot be distinguished from physical reality for me, inclusive of my own behaviour, raises a lot of existential questions.

I don't understand dreams at all and I make no true claims about either sleeping or waking dreams; the investigation continues. 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by oOo

[oOo]

13 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I told you already.  This is a dream, with set rules. Schizophrenics see outside the rules, they are able to see outisde of the dream.  That's what it is.

Functioning here isn't the goal, it never was.

This is such an absurd generalisation. 

One of my good friends is schizophrenic, and he happens to be on the spectrum for what qualifies as extreme universal open mindedness, more to your point. That said, schizophrenia gives him debilitating cognitive and psychological problems, with and without the medications he takes, and any benefits have never materialised beyond his already pre-existing brilliance in and of himself without the schizophrenia. 

14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm familiar with Tanya Luhrmann, or rather I one time attended as an audience member a live panel where she was one of the speakers. It was actually a discussion touching on psychic phenomena, it was one of the things that made me take it more seriously:

 

Well yes, it's interesting that the voices tended to be predominantly positive according to interviewees from African and Indian cultures but not interviewees from American culture. But of course, this doesn't go very far in supporting the wider claim of "schizophrenia is a Western disease". In non-Western schizophrenics, you still have negative voices, you still have delusions, thought disorder, "negative symptoms" (anhedonia, reduced cognitive functioning, etc.). And such people still get cast out from society for acting out of line. See Robert Sapolsky's research on this particular matter (in this case an African tribe called the Masai):

49:51

 

I think an important lesson of Luhrmann's study is that the framing of "mental illness" or "you're hurt, broken, your genes are dysfunctional, you were hurt in the past and thus you're hurt now" can be significantly hurtful, something I too agree with. I've given an in-depth run-through of this in a slightly different context:

 

I thought of a new connection after reading my comment, the relationship between dreams and psychosis at the functional level, and after beginning my own investigation into this relationship between the two because of logic saying that clinical investigations into dreaming would help clinical interventions on psychosis. I don't know a lot about psychosis and abnormal psychology, but where my thinking is going now is if we take the premise that predictive-processing and source-monitoring theories of psychosis are the crux, and we learned how dreams are created and how people can lucid dream in them. I genuinely think there's a real clinical path towards dream interventions overlapping with positive outcomes concerning the development of interventions for those on the spectrum for psychosis. Not necessarily by getting people with psychosis to "dream" a certain way, rather more along the lines of structurally and functionally mapping what the theoretical limits of what optimal dreaming could look like in healthy subjects, understanding the mechanisms for how this is possible, then using that as the groundwork for interventions to help people "dream the waking world" lucidly, so without elements we normally connect with psychosis. 

Edited 2 hours ago by oOo