Rifaximin + Allicin as a viable treatment for combined hydrogen/methane SIBO?

[Vision]

I'm currently taking three 550mg tablets (1650mg) of Rifaximin a day. But I have a feeling it won't kill off my SIBO fully as I have combined hydrogen/methane SIBO, not just hydrogen. 

Should I take Allicin with my current course of Rifaximin since I also have high methane levels? 

Allicin would be convenient for me since I already have it. But if not Allicin, then what about using Metronizadole or Neomycin in tandem with Rifaximin?

[Leo Gura]

It's worth a try.

Be careful, those antibiotics can cause more harm than good.

There is no way to know without experimentation. No one can tell you what will work for you. It's up to you to figure it out.

[Vision]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Be careful, those antibiotics can cause more harm than good.

@Leo Gura How so? 

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no way to know without experimentation. No one can tell you what will work for you. It's up to you to figure it out.

I did a bone broth fast for 4 days, realized I had histamine intolerance. I was still really bloated along with other symptoms like eczema and runny eyes/nose. 

I'm thinking about doing a lemon water fast now. But I'm not sure if I should take it with my antibiotics and antimicrobials or stop taking supplements while doing it. 

Did you take antimicrobials or antibiotics during your fasts to kill SIBO?  

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Vision said:

Did you take antimicrobials or antibiotics during your fasts to kill SIBO?

No, during a fast I take nothing.

My 12 day fast did not kill SIBO.

[Vision]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No, during a fast I take nothing.

@Leo Gura 

Why? What are the drawbacks of taking supplements or antibiotics/antimicrobials during a fast? 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Vision said:

@Leo Gura 

Why? What are the drawbacks of taking supplements or antibiotics/antimicrobials during a fast? 

I haven't tried, but my guess is you'll feel very sick and nauseous.

Fasting is hard enough by itself.

[Vision]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I haven't tried, but my guess is you'll feel very sick and nauseous.

@Leo Gura 

I might give it a go for two days and see how I feel. 

The lemon water fast + Rifaximin + Allicin might catalyse the healing process. 

What are you currently trying to treat your SIBO?

[PurpleTree]

two words

fecal matter transplant

those were three

but yea maybe talk to your doctor about doing a fmt after your rifaximin round

[Leo Gura]

Lemon juice contains sugar. That is not a proper fast.

[Opo]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

fecal matter transplant

If someone hypothetically found a healthy person and ate their ass could that have the same effect? 

[Vision]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Lemon juice contains sugar. That is not a proper fast.

I know it’s not the same as a water fast. But it’s low FODMAP if it’s half a lemon.

[Leo Gura]

Why would you feed your SIBO sugar? For what reason?

[Vision]

@Leo Gura 

I am wanting a source of calories during my liquid fast. 

I'm probably going do a boneless meat broth fast instead.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Vision said:

@Leo Gura 

I am wanting a source of calories during my liquid fast. 

I'm probably going do a boneless meat broth fast instead.

Broth contains onions and garlic. This will feed SIBO.

Is your goal to eliminate SIBO or what?

The way you're going about it it's def not gonna work. Be careful half-assing things.

[Vision]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Broth contains onions and garlic. This will feed SIBO.

I'm obviously making it homemade... I'm not putting any herbs or spices in it. It's really easy.
 

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The way you're going about it it's def not gonna work. Be careful half-assing things.

How so? I'm experimenting with what works and what doesn't. 

[Opo]

40 minutes ago, Vision said:

I'm obviously making it homemade... I'm not putting any herbs or spices in it. It's really easy.

I recently made it with only bones and salt and it was drinkable. 

[Leo Gura]

Defeats the whole purpose of a fast in my opinion if you are taking in food.

[Opo]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Defeats the whole purpose of a fast in my opinion if you are taking in food.

Yea its not a fast but broth could be good for his eczema because those amino acids absorb better on an empty stomach. 

[Vision]

15 hours ago, Opo said:

I recently made it with only bones and salt and it was drinkable. 

@Opo I also made my bone broth homemade. But I ended up not being able to tolerate it (histamine intolerance.

So I’m going to make boneless meat broth.

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Defeats the whole purpose of a fast in my opinion if you are taking in food.

Not necessarily. Taking food in liquid form gives your gut a rest as it’s a lot easier to digest.

But not just any food, people usually recommend bone broth fasting as it has many benefits that solid food can’t provide, even meat. 

Water fasting may be the better option for some while worse for others.

[PurpleTree]

On 7.10.2021 at 1:14 AM, Opo said:

If someone hypothetically found a healthy person and ate their ass could that have the same effect? 

actually yea maybe.

apparently they're working on fecal matter capsules which could be swallowed and much easier than a transplantation