Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics vs. The Map is not the Terroritoy

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

Would you agree with Bernardo that accurate models can be intuited because the model making itself is part of the oneness? Or do you see it as a totally separate human-centric process?

Is bullshit not part of Oneness?

Or do you suppose there is this orb of Oneness, and then a heaping pile of bullshit sitting right outside of it?

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Every model is like a finite 2D cross-sectional slice through an infinite-dimensional watermelon. It captures some aspect of the watermelon, but it's far shy of depicting the watermelon as a whole.

Hitler's view of the world is also partially valid, just like any scientific model. The problem is when people mistake that partiality for being something more than the limited thing that it is.

[Phyllis Wagner]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Is bullshit not part of Oneness?

Or do you suppose there is this orb of Oneness, and then a heaping pile of bullshit sitting right outside of it?

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Every model is like a finite 2D cross-sectional slice through an infinite-dimensional watermelon. It captures some aspect of the watermelon, but it's far shy of depicting the watermelon as a whole.

Hitler's view of the world is also partially valid, just like any scientific model. The problem is when people mistake that partiality for being something more than the limited thing that it is.

But aren't there degrees of bullshit? Like flat-earth theory compared to quantum mechanics. One of these models is far more accurate at modelling the real thing. Or would you put them all on the same playing field?

[Leo Gura]

@Phyllis Wagner Like I already told you: the better the model the bigger the problem.

You're not getting it.

[BipolarGrowth]

19 hours ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

But aren't there degrees of bullshit? Like flat-earth theory compared to quantum mechanics. One of these models is far more accurate at modelling the real thing. Or would you put them all on the same playing field?

And which one is better? 

Realize that the real thing, as directly experienced, is vastly different from both of these examples.