2 epistemic questions that have been bugging me: relates to Leo's psych experiment vd

[electroBeam]

8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@electroBeam

It’s not a why, it’s a how

Excellent observation, thanks!

8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@electroBeam

and it’s ignoring feeling, and going into thinking. Instead, when what you’re hearing simply is not and will not resonate in feeling, stop. Say, oh, this is what nonsense is, and stay with feeling. Don’t take the temptation of judgement, just stay with feeling. 

Yeah I'm very very slowly starting to realise that think isn't working  maybe in another 10 years it will dawn on me 

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Another great contemplation imo, if interested, what if everything you’re hearing is fundamentally, wrong? (As not to be confused with intentionally wrong) How, would you even know. 

This is related to the above point. I don't think its wrong, but I think I've severely misunderstood all the pointers. 

Well you know what I'm saying... not making an excuse to think about the pointers. Feeling is important. I've just casually noticed that whenever I experience what was pointed to, I realise I misunderstood the pointer. 

Edited October 28, 2020 by electroBeam

[electroBeam]

@Nahm actually, there is one problem with staying with feeling I have noticed. And its something that I think is important to consider. 'my' feelings are not consistent. Consistency is important for life. For example, If I look for my life purpose by following feeling, I jump around alot and don't stick to 1 thing, which means I can't specialise and master my craft. If I follow feeling for spirituality, I'll jump around a lot with different meditation and yoga techniques and not stick with 1 and develop the discipline to master 1, which means I wont get any results(or even if that statement is bullshit it doesn't seem right that jumping around is good for spirituality). If I follow feeling with relationships and friendships, I start acting very inconsistently, sometimes I'm very loving, sometimes I'm a bitch. Things get very inconsistent. And when you interact with human beings, they like consistency. Because it makes them feel like they know what's going on. Acting inconsistently produces sort of confusion or disrupts their sense of knowing what's going on.

Edited October 28, 2020 by electroBeam

[The0Self]

It can't unify because there's already unification. It can't disunify because there's already apparent disunification. The supreme does whatever it does simply because... nothing. It doesn't need to. Everything happening means no-thing appearing as everything happening. There are infinite levels of infinity itself, which means there are no levels.

[Nahm]

 

1 hour ago, electroBeam said:

This is related to the above point. I don't think its wrong, but I think I've severely misunderstood all the pointers. 

How does that thought feel? 

One pointer that can’t be missed, is that when a thought implies it has something to do with a previous thought, it doesn’t. How could it? There is zero evidence or direct experience of this “previous thought”. That’s the current thought. So it isn’t possible that there is a you which has misunderstood all the pointers. There is believing the thought that there is a you which misunderstand all the pointers. ‘Severely’ is a thought about that you. Seems like it feels off because it’s true. Actually feels off because it is not true. 

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Well you know what I'm saying... not making an excuse to think about the pointers. Feeling is important. I've just casually noticed that whenever I experience what was pointed to, I realise I misunderstood the pointer. 

Pointing is the only nature of the pointer. Pointing is the only string the pointer has to play on. Let the pointer have it’s one thread of dignity in that it serves us by it’s pointing. Don’t hold the pointer to be understanding, or understood, only pointing. 

“Another great contemplation imo, if interested, what if everything you’re hearing is fundamentally, wrong? (As not to be confused with intentionally wrong) How, would you even know. “

Not that there is an ‘it’ or a ‘them’ that’s wrong. What if everything you are hearing and have ever heard, all together, is wrong...but not by intention. How would you know? 

1 hour ago, electroBeam said:

@Nahm actually, there is one problem with staying with feeling I have noticed. And its something that I think is important to consider. 'my' feelings are not consistent. Consistency is important for life. For example, If I look for my life purpose by following feeling, I jump around alot and don't stick to 1 thing, which means I can't specialise and master my craft.

If you are following feeling, and not stepping on it’s toes, but following...then what you are wanting is to jump around a lot and also not be able to specialize and master your craft. If what you are wanting is to not jump around, start with feeling. If what you are wanting is to master your craft, start with feeling. Feeling is consistent, perspectives are not - they don’t need to be, because they go as effortlessly as they come. Feeling is so underlying and consistent, it is the only real reason this is of concern. What is ultimately wanted, is feeling. Feeling is only ever now. If passion and purpose arises, great, no problem. If it fizzles out, it wasn’t your LP, and there is no problem. If something arises more passion and purpose, this is not a problem for anyone filled with passion and purpose. 

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If I follow feeling for spirituality, I'll jump around a lot with different meditation and yoga techniques and not stick with 1 and develop the discipline to master 1, which means I wont get any results(or even if that statement is bullshit it doesn't seem right that jumping around is good for spirituality).

There are no results for you in any spiritual practice. 

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If I follow feeling with relationships and friendships, I start acting very inconsistently, sometimes I'm very loving, sometimes I'm a bitch. Things get very inconsistent. And when you interact with human beings, they like consistency. Because it makes them feel like they know what's going on. Acting inconsistently produces sort of confusion or disrupts their sense of knowing what's going on.

If what’s going on disrupts the sense of what’s going on, then it can’t be said to have actually been the sense of what’s going on. 

“The mind is a wonderful slave, or a terrible bitch.”

[electroBeam]

@Nahm awesome advice thanks for the guidance and reminders! Its simple but feeling over thinking is really it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

18 minutes ago, Nahm said:

How does that thought feel? 

the word 'misunderstood'(misunderstood as in not able to be understood) felt great because it represented letting go of pointers if you know what I mean, but apart from that agreed with everything else you wrote, absolutely spot on. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by electroBeam