The Implications of Omniscience

[BipolarGrowth]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't think that's particularly necessary.

Omniscience is simply full consciousness of the present moment. Other moments don't need to happen because they are imaginary.

You can be conscious that reality is an infinite dream without having to dream all the possible dreams. Similar to how you can be conscious that numbers are endless without having to write out every number.

1, 2, 3, 4.... at some point you just get that it can go on forever.

In fact, there is a tradeoff between infinite consciousness and form. To truly be infinitely conscious you will just become an undifferentiated singularity. There will be no forms there, but you will be totally conscious of everything that could ever be.

That is the pure white light at the end of tunnel that some people report to see when they die. It feels like getting sucked into the center of the sun. It's so much consciousness that it has infinite brightness and all form just drowns in it. Imagine a white hole that is infinitely deep.

It looks like we have found a distinction within omniscience. I’m talking about it by the definition of having all knowledge. Do you believe all knowledge is an aspect of God? You’ve mentioned it being an aspect in one of your God for smart people videos. It seems like here you are equating high consciousness of what is immediately present with omniscience. Unless you’re using a new definition, which it appears you are, this would not serve as omniscience. It seems like you are arguing against the validity of the traditional concept of omniscience. 
 

If omniscience is not real, then that makes this whole thread rather useless. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:

It looks like we have found a distinction within omniscience. I’m talking about it by the definition of having all knowledge. Do you believe all knowledge is an aspect of God? You’ve mentioned it being an aspect in one of your God for smart people videos. It seems like here you are equating high consciousness of what is immediately present with omniscience. Unless you’re using a new definition, which it appears you are, this would not serve as omniscience. It seems like you are arguing against the validity of the traditional concept of omniscience. 
 

If omniscience is not real, then that makes this whole thread rather useless. 

There is no way you will understand or appreciate what omniscience truly means until you experience it.

Omniscience is not what normies think it is. The normie notion of omniscience is similar to the normie notion of God. It's very off-the-mark from the actual thing.

Yes, I'm using a new definition which comes from a direct experience of omniscience. Omniscience is NOT at the level of human knowledge. True omniscience cuts through all that conceptual human BS. For example, with true omniscience, rather than knowing what your mom ate for lunch today, you will be directly conscious that your mom and her lunch are imaginary. This is far more powerful than knowing what she has for lunch because her having lunch is still within the delusional frame of Maya. True omniscience cuts through Maya like a razor. It is pure 100% NOW-ness. Time and space and others do not exist there because they have been cut through.

Consciousness is capable of being FULLY, TOTALLY conscious of every aspect of itself. Whether you ever reach such consciousness sober, is another matter. I highly doubt it. Omniscience is way beyond what typical nondual teachers talk about or have ever experienced. Mooji or Tolle will not lead you to omniscience.

[BipolarGrowth]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no way you will understand or appreciate what omniscience truly means until you experience it.

Omniscience is not what normies think it is. The normie notion of omniscience is similar to the normie notion of God. It's very off-the-mark from the actual thing.

Yes, I'm using a new definition which comes from a direct experience of omniscience. Omniscience is NOT at the level of human knowledge. True omniscience cuts through all that conceptual human BS. For example, with true omniscience, rather than knowing what your mom ate for lunch today, you will be directly conscious that your mom and her lunch are imaginary. This is far more powerful than knowing what she has for lunch because her having lunch is still within the delusional frame of Maya. True omniscience cuts through Maya like a razor. It is pure 100% NOW-ness. Time and space and others do not exist there because they have been cut through.

Consciousness is capable of being FULLY, TOTALLY conscious of every aspect of itself. Whether you ever reach such consciousness sober, is another matter. I highly doubt it. Omniscience is way beyond what typical nondual teachers talk about or have ever experienced. Mooji or Tolle will not lead you to omniscience.

This all makes sense, but I ask you the question - is God infinite from your experience? 
 

If that’s a yes, then would the quality of being infinite create the inevitability of all possibilities existing at some point in time? It’s the same as 1,2,3 implies 4,5, and 6 as well as infinity. And what is outside the possibility of God? Nothing? According to the standard definition of Omnipotency, this is the case. (I’m interested to know if you have a different definition for that as well.) 

The experience of me eating a sandwich in Maya might be assigned the number 1. Experience #1. The experience of you snoozing an alarm clock is experience #2. With infinity, this continues on to experience all other possibilities within Maya greatly exceeding our human imagination. Is this not the case? 
 

Does God only have omniscience and omnipotency within some singularity beyond space, time, and Maya? That sounds like a limitation. Or can God exercise these qualities within the illusion? 
 

Can one experience omniscience as you said only with 5 Meo-DMT? Or do you think shrooms could work? I’ve experienced God Consciousness three times so far with one experience being on LSD, one on shrooms, and the other during a manic episode. Can these methods be used to experience omniscience? I currently don’t have access to 5 Meo, but I can more easily obtain N-N. 
 

By the way, thank you for your responsiveness on this post. I know you’re busy, but your perspective has helped. 

Edited August 31, 2020 by BipolarGrowth

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

This all makes sense

Except it does not because your "sense" is not the same as the actual thing itself.

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is God infinite from your experience? 

Of course

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If that’s a yes, then would the quality of being infinite create the inevitability of all possibilities existing at some point in time?

Not necessarily because even time here is just one possibility within the dream.

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The experience of me eating a sandwich in Maya might be assigned the number 1. Experience #1. The experience of you snoozing an alarm clock is experience #2. With infinity, this continues on to experience all other possibilities within Maya greatly exceeding our human imagination. Is this not the case? 

In a sense yes. But also consider that they would all perfectly cancel each other out.

You do not necessarily need to display every image on a screen in order to realize that the screen can display an endless number of images. A screen of infinite dimensions could display infinite images. But that doesn't mean it will or that it has to. It could. But it could also just sit back and bask its pure potential without rendering anything at all. The blank screen is still infinite. It's just not expressing itself in an single way. Which you could say, is it's "truest" form. In it's purest form God is pure potential without any need to bias itself towards any one form or experience. God could sit back and not dream anything at all. It gets to decide what it wants.

It's better that you don't think of Infinite Consciousness as merely an endless list of items. It's far more profound than that.

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Does God only have omniscience and omnipotency within some singularity beyond space, time, and Maya? That sounds like a limitation. Or can God exercise these qualities within the illusion?

Anything that has form will be limited by tautology. You can't be in a human body/mind and know every atom in the material universe because your brain/mind can only handle so much data at once.

My deepest experiences of Infinity are of a pure, formless singularity which is perfectly self-knowing without anything hidden from itself. But part of the reason that's possible is because it's simple. It's not a bunch of data, it's more like a single, infinitely self-interconnected point.

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Can one experience omniscience as you said only with 5 Meo-DMT? Or do you think shrooms could work?

All sorts of methods could work.

5-MeO-DMT and DMT seem to be some of the best ways to get there. At least for me. I can't speak for you.

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I’ve experienced God Consciousness three times so far with one experience being on LSD, one on shrooms, and the other during a manic episode. Can these methods be used to experience omniscience? I currently don’t have access to 5 Meo, but I can more easily obtain N-N. 

It's hard to say because it all depends on you. People react differently to chemicals. You'll have to try many things until you find one that works for you.

[PopoyeSailor]

My Intellectual Understanding so Far:

Imagine the TV signals which contains all the different programs running right now all around you. But, the TV only plays that show which it is tuned into. Similarly, each TV play its own show. 

Likewise, each smaller self only experience a particular show called its own personal individual life. When the boundaries of individuation is broken, all the shows of life in which ever possible permutation and combination that they can exist, is realized to be a possible potentiality. Doesn't mean that all of those infinite plays must be playing right now. They can play at different times in different places with different people.

Omnipotence from what I understand is the direct realization of truth of the Brahman's(You without individuation) nature to project any combination of realities of any permutation and combination without any restriction.

Omnipresence is the direct realization that what ever exists at all times in all places as all things is Brahman and Brahman alone and that you are one with that Brahman.

Omniscience is the realization of understanding of both of the above two realizations along with the complete knowledge of how they work.

And, yes siddhis, UFOs, Occult Sciences are all part of the deal too. But, one has to strive with effort to attain siddhis.

All three of these truths (or any other truth for that matter) can be realized, understood and talked about, only in a state of individuation. Even the most highest conscious levels some experience & profound realizations they attain are talked about as such, only because of their thinking, perceiving, intellectualizing capabilities present with their personal individuation.

Once complete merge with Brahman happens(having individuation completely dissolved), there is no thinking faculty present anymore. It simply is Brahman. It is pure Existence without any existence. Neither does it exist, not does it doesn't exist. It is what IS, Yet it ISN'T. Existence and Non-Existence are simply concepts / possibilities within it. Brahman is an Existential contradiction. But, once realized; there is no contradiction. There is nothing that can be said about it.

If something has to be said, then one can say: Awareness aware of being itself - Not from the egoic sense though. Egoic sense will try to reduce the word "Awareness" in the sentence to mean some individual with sense of self  who has thinking and intellectualizing capabilities. 

 

Brahman when imagined as such and such will be experienced as such. Brahman doesn't have any objective shape and form to it. Even formlessness is just one of the forms it can present itself in. It is capable of expressing itself in both states as Nirguna(Formless) and Saguna(Form). It can one up against itself. E.g: If you imagine the whole Brahman to be single reality and there being many such Brahmans in existence; Although indivisible - It'll still have no problems presenting itself as such to the one wanting to experience it as such. Infact, that is exactly what is happening even now with multiple appearances of universes/realities, living entities, objects and even atoms.

Every appearance/non-appearance, presence/non-presence, being/Non-being is just Brahman presenting itself as such.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by PopoyeSailor

[The0Self]

I'm not entirely clear on omniscience, but I have definitely experienced gradations of it on proper doses of psychedelics, especially when combined with meditation and dissociatives -- would not recommend to anyone else, as I easily could have gone insane. I saw and became everything. Absolute Infinity. Literally everything is, and God has to suffer through it all to give birth to it, by experiencing it and being it, and beyond that, infinitely, having given up its self-concern entirely. It is beyond mere understanding. If you try to comprehend it, you will become more ignorant as a result.