A Message to Leo about Trump and the Russian Hoax

[The Don]

9 hours ago, Bno said:

Well, it was her responsibility to know which states were most important to campaign in.

The electoral college exists so the majority of the states can decide who wins an election. Is that simple! That's the essence of democracy. All people have a voice, not only those in bigger states.

Otherwise, people would campaign only for bigger states like New York, Texas or California.

All people must have a voice. That's why every state is so important. That's why every state matters.

The US is a nation-state. A constitutional republic. It's very hard to keep it that way without an electoral college. That's why the founding fathers brilliantly designed the electoral college. They knew that the US wouldn't stand a chance without an electoral collage.

Western Civilization is the greatest civilization in human history. We should keep it or at least, keep what's good from it. Science, philosophy, medicine and so forth.

President Trump gave a speech in Poland. He talked about the need to protect Western Civilization.

Edited November 24, 2019 by The Don

[Bno]

3 hours ago, tenta said:

 

Then you're completely stuck thinking like this, you're fucked, nothing I can say will change this.

"reduce the chance of nuclear catastrophe (i.e., possible human extinction and exacerbating ecological damages)"

Read above, that is a completely biased strawman of the situation.

So then you're suggesting ignoring them? How is that going to stop the dictatorship?

[Forestluv]

6 hours ago, The Don said:

The electoral college exists so the majority of the states can decide who wins an election. Is that simple! 

Actually, it’s not so simple. A candidate can win the majority of states and lose the election. For example, they could win 30 of 50 states and lose. The electoral college is based on the population size of each state, not the number of states won. The problem with the electoral college is that it is disproportional. For example a person in Wyoming has 3X the voting power of a person in California. 

Imagine you get to vote once and I get to vote three times. Does that seem fair to you? In a true democracy, each person only gets allowed to vote once.

A tomato farmer that lives in Truckee gets to vote once. A tomato farmer in the next town over gets to vote twice. That’s not fair. 

6 hours ago, The Don said:

The US is a nation-state. A constitutional republic. It's very hard to keep it that way without an electoral college. That's why the founding fathers brilliantly designed the electoral college. They knew that the US wouldn't stand a chance without an electoral collage.

This was true in 1776, not 2019. They chance of a state succeeding from the union is extremely low, especially small population state’s like Wyoming and Delaware. It’s not going to happen. The electoral college now has a polarizing effect because unpopular politicians that lose the popular vote win through a loophole. This is not democracy. In a democracy, everyone gets one vote and whoever wins the most votes, wins the election. It’s that simple.

 

[remember]

historically speaking there was  a need for an electoral college because they didn`t have highspeed data transfer, but news and counts where traveling horsespeed. counting manually would not even be the problem - but the data transfer is technologically seen such an old system that you might wonder how it still works without the system breaking down... keeping the electoral college for nostalgic reasons, as the people who anounce the numbers of the counts would be enough, a little like keeping a king or queen for nostalgic reasons, but isn`t it like that that the counts count? why easy when complicated is possible? maybe in the future they have to travel via horsespeed again, because no data is safe, maybe that would be a possibility so it was actually smart keeping the electoral college - ah no there is the invention of the phone also - sorry i forgot.

the guys who invented that then where pretty smart, they would laugh about it today.

Edited November 24, 2019 by remember

[abrakamowse]

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Marco Chacon created the fake news site RealTrueNews to show his alt-right friends their alleged gullibility. Chacon wrote a fake transcript for Clinton's leaked speeches in which Clinton explains bronies to Goldman Sachs bankers. Chacon was shocked when his fiction was reported as factual by Fox News and he heard his writings on Megyn Kelly's The Kelly File. Trace Gallagher repeated Chacon's fiction and falsely reported Clinton had called Bernie Sanders supporters a "bucket of losers" — a phrase made up by Chacon. After denials from Clinton staff, Megyn Kelly apologized with a public retraction.

Chacon later told Brent Bambury of CBC Radio One program Day 6 that he was so shocked at readers' ignorance he felt it was like an episode from The Twilight Zone. In an interview with ABC News, Chacon defended his site, saying it was an over-the-top parody of fake sites to teach his friends how ridiculous they were. The Daily Beast reported on the popularity of Chacon's fictions being reported as if it were factual and noted pro-Trump message boards and YouTube videos routinely believed them. In a follow-up piece Chacon wrote as a contributor for The Daily Beast after the 2016 U.S. election, he concluded those most susceptible to fake news were consumers who limited themselves to partisan media outlets.