Truth (contradiction)

[OmniYoga]

from last episode, let's I graps everything until 1h,
but then I found the content to be unlogical
if 1+1=3 is truth becasue it's exist
how can I be not real? whatever is the I (an ilussion, a belief, identification, a concept, imagination) it's still here, exisiting (even if false)
thefore it also must be parth of truth, becasue existing

Edited August 20, 2019 by OmniYoga

[Leo Gura]

@OmniYoga The I you think you are is conceptual. It exists as a concept.

In the same way that Santa Claus exists conceptually.

Which is you say, the human self is imaginary. You are imagining that you were born. This a story you tell yourself to create a sense of self.

Think of it this way: just because you have a thought about something -- like Santa Claus living on Mars -- doesn't mean that thought refers to anything in the real world.

So the question is: why you assume that body is "yours"? Why isn't that body the universe's?

See, you've confused the universe and yourself. Or to put it more accurately: the universe believes it is a human. In the Absolute sense, there is only the universe believing it is a human. The universe is trying to act human to convince itself that it is human. But it's just the universe. The human part is imaginary.

[Inliytened1]

@OmniYoga the raw data exists.

[OmniYoga]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@OmniYoga The I you think you are is conceptual. It exists as a concept.

In the same way that Santa Claus exists conceptually.

Which is you say, the human self is imaginary. You are imagining that you were born.

imaginary or not, it exist ^.^ (as imagination) 2nd order of relevance
do you feel my headache? that is what i don't get it

for example justice is just conceptual. It exists as a concept.
and it's not real, yet we can kind of make it real (not in matrial sense)

btw how is it possible there is so much consistency in something imaginary, seems strange to me, like an illusion has it's own inteligence to keep it alive, it would make it a separate entity

 

31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@OmniYoga the raw data exists.

what is raw data?

Edited August 20, 2019 by OmniYoga

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, OmniYoga said:

imaginary or not, it exist ^.^ (as imagination) 2nd order of relevance
do you feel my headache? that is what i don't get it

for example justice is just conceptual. It exists as a concept.
and it's not real, yet we can kind of make it real (not in matrial sense)

btw how is it possible there is so much consistency in something imaginary, seems strange to me, like an illusion has it's own inteligence to keep it alive, it would make it a separate entity

 

what is raw data?

Raw data is 1st order.  Saying something is real is 2nd order.  First order is there is no difference...

[Truth Addict]

But Leo, 1 male + 1 female = 3 family members 

1 hour ago, OmniYoga said:

for example justice is just conceptual. It exists as a concept.
and it's not real, yet we can kind of make it real (not in matrial sense)

btw how is it possible there is so much consistency in something imaginary, seems strange to me, like an illusion has it's own inteligence to keep it alive, it would make it a separate entity

That's just a taste of God's ultimate potential.

 

[Leo Gura]

@OmniYoga There is consistency only because you deny the inconsistencies by outrageous degrees of self-deception and self-bias.

Your mind has deceived itself so completely that you cannot even imagine what no-self is. Because your very life depends on you not seeing it.

If you understood what I'm saying here, you would experience death.

[OmniYoga]

On 21.08.2019 at 0:50 AM, Leo Gura said:

@OmniYoga There is consistency only because you deny the inconsistencies by outrageous degrees of self-deception and self-bias.

Your mind has deceived itself so completely that you cannot even imagine what no-self is. Because your very life depends on you not seeing it.

If you understood what I'm saying here, you would experience death.

sorry, unfortunately no reaction
the only stafe of no-self that i am able to recall was after reading "Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing"
and it was overwhelming pointlessness of it all, I'd call that rather apathy than enlightenment,
but i will try to meditate about no-self some more if that's the way