The rarity of Spiral Dynamics

[Leo Gura]

Orange is a tough stage to entirely outgrow because money and biz is so vital in a capitaliatic society. Nothing big can happen without it.

[caelanb]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

a particular culture and paradigm.

What is the culture and paradigm? The more you believe in physicalism/materialism the more trustworthy or authoritative you are? There are most likely university instructors who are spiritual and do practise mysticism. 

1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said:

Ahhh, perhaps similar to how Hollywood actors are Green culturally, yet are still being weighed down by a corporate Orange film industry.

Aren't Hollywood actors more in Orange? Because they are into success and making money from being in movies.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, caelanb said:

What is the culture and paradigm? The more you believe in physicalism/materialism the more trustworthy or authoritative you are? There are most likely university instructors who are spiritual and do practise mysticism.

I would just call it the academia paradigm. If you've been in academia or been around professional academics -- they love to think the same way, talk the same way, write the same way, dress the same way. It's group think. It's very much a specific kind of sub-culture with a shared set of values.

Sort of like how Silicon Valley has a certain kind of sub-culture, set of values, and set of assumptions about life. All of which constitutes a paradigm, POV, or interpretive framework.

Every paradigm or POV is blind to its own biases, values, and assumptions until you step out of it and observe it from the outside. Every paradigm takes itself to be the sum total of reality, which it never is because the map is never the territory, and the territory is infinite.

This is a very deep epistemic problem, not merely a problem of universities or Silicon Valley or Hollywood.

[Revolutionary Think]

@Leo Gura and @Serotoninluv I call it Acadumbia. 

[caelanb]

I see how professional academics have their own way of being, such as scientists or philosophers, though, wouldn't they need this 'way' of speech or write (I'm not sure about the dress) in order to communicate their topics? Like a computer engineer needs to talk a certain way or write a certain way in order to communicate with the other computer engineers or academics. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, caelanb said:

wouldn't they need this 'way' of speech or write (I'm not sure about the dress) in order to communicate their topics?

Yes and no. Part of the challenges of being in a group-think bureaucracy is that you must then follow their rules to survive in that ecosystem or risk getting excommunicated. As a result, academics often consign themselves to be slaves of the system. They are not in a position of power to challenge rules and norms, so they just end up accepting it as "reality". Of course not always. There are plenty of exceptions here and there.

But many of the most advanced humans end up leaving academia because they need a more stage Turquoise ecosystem.

It can be painful to be the biggest fish in a tiny pond. Whales need to seek the ocean and academia is like SeaWorld