Does free will exist?

[metwinn]

@Faceless you are making the mistake of believing that you are whare you perceive 

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless no, but that does not mean that I am not 

I’m not understanding your response. 

 

1 minute ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless you are making the mistake of believing that you are whare you perceive 

Not talking about belief. I am asking if there is no capacity to remember then you don’t know who you are as an ego. Right?

[metwinn]

@Faceless correct but what is your point?

Edited June 28, 2018 by metwinn

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless correct 

So experience, knowledge, memory forms the self/ego, you see that? 

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

So experience, knowledge, memory forms the self/ego, you see that? 

Knowledge and memory forms are all ego related yes

[Faceless]

1 minute ago, metwinn said:

Knowledge and memory forms are all ego related yes

And so it thought, correct? The response of knowledge, experience, memory 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

@Faceless yeah thought is response of knowledge experience and memory

[Faceless]

2 minutes ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless yeah thought is response of knowledge experience and memory

Which implies that is of the past, as is ego? 

[Faceless]

Thought is of the past. Never new. So what we think isn’t “ours” and what we will is pre-determined by thought, which is old, not “ours” 

right?

[metwinn]

@Faceless yes I got confused when you said the self I didn't know what self you were referring to but if you are calling it ego I understand. Where are you going with this?

[Faceless]

4 hours ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless

Not sure I can fully wrap my head around your monstrous post, can you simplify what your trying to say here so my tiny brain can understand as I think we have finally reached some sort of middle ground 

 

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless yes I got confused when you said the self I didn't know what self you were referring to but if you are calling it ego I understand. Where are you going with this?

@Faceless yes I agree

[Faceless]

4 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Thought is of the past. Never new. So what we think isn’t “ours” and what we will is pre-determined by thought, which is old, not “ours” 

right?

So, what we think, and the way we direct our will,is influenced by that stream of thought which is predetermined?

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

So, what we think, and the way we direct our will,is influenced by that stream of thought which is predetermined?

That point is irrelevant because what we think and the way we direct our will is also predetermined not just he stream of thought 

[Faceless]

Will and thought are one and the same movement, right? 

[metwinn]

@Faceless I don't understand 

[Faceless]

@metwinn

will-desire,as the i is the thinker which is a movement of thought. 

[metwinn]

@Faceless yes

[Faceless]

3 minutes ago, metwinn said:

@Faceless yes

Ok, so the direction in which we use “our” will is determined by thought which is of the past(pre-determined by collective and personal conditioning) 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Faceless

[metwinn]

1 minute ago, Faceless said:

Ok, so the direction in which we use “our” will is determined by thought which is of the past(pre-determines by collective and personal conditioning) 

@Faceless I couldn't agree more with you ? I don't know why we are arguing I'm pretty sure we are on the same page