Only infinite is free will

[star ark]

A hypothetical mother had a negative parent and was forced to learn an instrument she hated during childhood. She has her own child and decides to be positive parent and she decides not to enforce an activity like the musical instrument she herself hated learning. She decides this because she had a negative thought loop stuck in her head for years about these things and she felt like this negative thought loop influenced her actions. She felt her free will was compromised but meditation is the key, it shows her she is not her emotions and learns to apply positive thinking to change negative thoughts and escape compulsive behavior. She will never reprimand herself in her mind or ever let this negativity influence her because she is now free of influence. She meditated away her lack of free will right? Because she decided to need meditation of her own free will and not the influence of everything in the world except herself?

There was no free will in any of this.

The choices the mother's parents made came from the choices their parents made - they had their reasons for being critical and forcing that instrument on their child. Those parents had their reasons which are also completely out of their control, decisions going back into their parents, and their parents etc back to the very first atom. Free will only exists in the infinite reactions of the infinite. One drop in the ocean does not determine the course of the tides. The mother's child is no more able to decide than any one individual in the chain. Everything is simply a reaction of everything else, since atom 1. 

 

If there is free will then it is the free will of the universal consciousness. It is impossible for the individual to do any more than go with this flow, our impulses are simply that. And no we cannot meditate into the infinite, take a piece of this infinite out of the experience of the infinite and retain it in waking life. We can never truly make an individual decision as members of the human race.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2018 by star ark
impatience

[NoSelfSelf]

Stop thinking and be then who cares if there is free will or not?

[star ark]

You responded because I posted

I have built this theory simply by reacting to all of you as you all react to all the stimuli around you. You could not have responded if I never began the topic. I am controlling you more than you are controlling me and vice versa.

It's the chicken and the egg problem again only concerning free will. The nothingness idea of many seekers is the same thing. You need the facts of science to prove the nothingness theory, but then nothing exists so how could the verifiable facts exists in the first place. There always has to be something first and the whole "don't think about it" is meant to be ironic? the topic is flat out saying we cannot chose what to think. If there is no free will then I have no possibility of choosing to care or not.

 

[Nahm]

@star ark What is an atom, though?

[star ark]

35 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@star ark What is an atom, though?

An atom is the smallest constituent unit of ordinary matter that has the properties of a chemical element. Every solid, liquid, gas, and plasma is composed of neutral or ionized atoms. Atoms are very small; typical sizes are around 100 picometers

Sorry I don't seem to be getting the point. My atoms do stuff when I'm doing stuff, seems to me they do the stuff and after the fact I examine what my atoms did.

[Nahm]

@star ark what are atoms made of?     I think it could clarify the free will. 

[star ark]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@star ark what are atoms made of?     I think it could clarify the free will. 

They are made of smaller stuff, and that smaller stuff is made up of smaller stuff, and we have not designed a strong enough lens to delve any deeper but once we do I'm sure we will find smaller stuff yet again. The ocean is used so often to symbolize the infinite consciousness and this lack of individual free will idea has been staring me in the face my whole life and I never got it. The ocean analogy is explaining this. No drop in the ocean has any control yet collectively it does. More movements this way and then the rest must follow. This has to be the rigid scientist take on the infinite right? I'm just explain cause an effect or something like that? 

Always we have noticed our reaction after the fact. Always. Every single philosophical query is simply a maths problem based around the fact that the chicken and the egg does not add up.

From the forces that pull matter together to form planets to a slit test that always impossibly shows what we look for, free will is a collective force that makes certain existence is.