Truth vs Duty

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Looks like that room might come in handy after all.

Im happy to have played a hand in it.

Oh! @Salvijus and I go way back... You had no hand in that one! Astral brain rubbing requires no corporeal room (⁠◠⁠‿⁠・⁠)⁠—⁠☆

I'll be sure to give you credit where credit is due 

[Willy Phallicus]

23 minutes ago, Jirh said:

That's an example of survival vs. duty.

I guess thats fair.  I see it as circumstances that arose that made the two indistinguishable from one another but not a big deal.

23 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Interesting, but not exactly on topic.

Yes, to make myself clear the OP basically asked is my personal development more important than the needs of the people around me and the answer is yes.  You help them more by being the best version of yourself that you can be rather than by playing the exact role everybody expects you to play.  Growth comes from taking risks, not by playing small or playing safe.  True story.

Edited 4 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Salvijus]

13 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Looks like that room might come in handy after all.

Im happy to have played a hand in it.

 

[Jirh]

8 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

You help them more by being the best version of yourself that you can be rather than by playing the exact role everybody expects you to play.  Growth comes from taking risks, not by playing small or playing safe.  True story.

For me it's more of a balance and a tension. And the answer is not so easily reduced to a simple singularity. There are real trade-offs to each side. But truth is my top value, so I always honor it no matter what.

[oOo]

What is duty?
I welcome challenges, critiques, alternate perspectives, ideas

I am going to help the process of thinking about these subjects on a slightly deeper, yet extremely practical level. I have chosen to briefly spend some time explaining the following as I think a lot of people would benefit from this introspection, and hopefully, what I've revealed below. 

There is a misconception that emotions are just singular entities. 

However there are many emotions that require other emotions at the very least as supporting roles for the stabilisation of other emotions.

One example is our emotion of duty we're examining here. 

For our demonstrative purpose, our use of the term emotion here, has both a cognitive and felt aspect; and we won't muddy the waters with terms like values, beliefs, virtues, etc concerning, at least not for now. 

Duty generally carries with it several other emotions and each of those emotions have their own intrapersonal and interpersonal position.

I have hypothesised the following. 

A certain level of the following emotions at some degree of simultaneity are needed for duty to even exist:
- love
- acceptance
- responsibility
- honour

How can you feel a sense of duty if you don't have a sense of love towards that object (even if its oneself)? 
> Love acts as the inspiration. 

How can you feel a sense of duty when you don't accept the conditions or the object that correspond to either the sense of duty towards the object or the actions that result from that sense?
> Acceptance acts on non-resistance.

How can you feel a sense of duty when you don't feel a sense of responsibility towards the object or the conditions corresponding?
> Responsibility acts as conscience. 

How can you feel a sense of duty when you don't feel honoured "to be doing" or "to be doing it for" the object, its or any conditions? 
> Honour acts as admiration.

• And what about sub-emotions or the absence of negational one's like fear, where might they position relatively speaking?
• What other emotions may I have missed, or relate to say more unique contexts?
• How do you think the sense of duty plays out in the context of these foundational emotions with oneself (intrapersonal) versus others (interpersonal)?
• Can someone have a sense of duty towards others and not themselves, or themselves but not others? 
• What inner conflicts can you imagine someone may have with a sense of duty relative to changing outer and inner circumstances?
• If one can ascertain the above, how might someone be able to leverage this knowledge for their own personal growth?

By no means are my answers final, they are jumping boards. I make a claim, you think if it matches your own deeper connections and contemplate how you can map it further; while feeling free to challenge or extend. 

Rock out @Nercohype. Hope this is useful and not too much of a derail sir, if I wasn't direct enough earlier, to briefly add, when it comes to truth and awareness, our minds are juggling multiple priorities relative to the examples you brought up. We already worked out that the most aware decision we can make at any given time, depends on our awareness. Second, that there is no distinction between empathy and truth, that it is merely a social form of awareness, and in doing so, a social form of truth. Thus, the most aware decision is not in deciding between truth and other people, but rather, managing the truth of the awareness we have of others and ourselves versus the truth of other things like our direct experiences contemplations, etc.

I hope that's more clearer now. There is no distinction between awareness and truth, and therefore no distinction between anything you can possibly be aware of, and the truth, inclusive of social. So your only duty relative to how you have characterised it, is in simply managing what the most self-aware decision is based on those priorities. For social, you can have all the sense of duty you want, but at the end of the day you also need strong boundaries. I sense this last point is important in your case.

Feel free to elaborate or not as you wish.

Edited 1 hour ago by oOo