Christian Mystic on Metaphysical Love

[AtmanIsBrahman]

I would post this in high consciousness resources, but since the sub-forum is closed I'll have to post here.

Revelations of Divine Love is a high-consciousness resource where the medieval Christian anchoress Julian of Norwich describes her visions of God. This is interesting for a couple reasons: 1) insights into the nature of Love and suffering, 2) how spiral dynamics stage affects mystical visions.

 

Here are some of her visions and insights.

• She has a vision of a hazelnut, which represents the entire universe and God's love for it. 

"I looked at it and thought, 'What can this be?' And the answer came to me, 'It is all that is made.' I wondered how it could last, for it was so small I thought it might suddenly disappear. And the answer in my mind was, 'It lasts and will last for ever because God loves it; and in the same way everything exists through the love of God.' "

God's love, or Existence's self-love, is what eternally sustains everything.

 

• She saw a lot of things in the visions, but...

"I did not see sin; for I believe it has no sort of substance nor portion of being, nor would it be recognized were it not for the suffering which it causes."

"And when I saw that God has made all things, I saw nothing of you [sin]; and when I saw that God is in all things, I saw nothing of you; and when I saw that God does all things that are done, greater and lesser, I saw nothing of you.”

"How can anything be amiss?"

You get the point. Sin is not real; it is a human delusion. Julian obviously had to see through a lot of Christian conditioning to get this point. There is nothing that is morally wrong: shooting someone in the head, genocide, etc. -- it is all good from the absolute point of view. God is too good to see anything as evil. It perfectly understands and loves everything. 

 

• God loves and willingly undergoes suffering

"And in these words, 'If I could suffer more, I would suffer more,' I truly saw that he was willing to die as often as he was able to die, and love would never let him rest until he had done it."

God is an infinite suffering manufacturer. This is because suffering isn't actually real, so there is no reason to avoid it. There is no suffering as we think of it to a completely unbiased mind.

 

• My insights

This helped me realize that not only can suffering be transcended -- a hypothesis that anyone who's heard of spirituality is aware of -- but it was never real in the first place.

Suffering is one of the greatest illusions. Every time you are suffering, you are completely and utterly deluded. This doesn't mean you will transcend all of it, but you can use this principle to reframe all the suffering you experience. 

Also, suffering is the same thing as sin. The human ideas of suffering and sin (something being morally wrong) are both offshoots of the same delusion; neither are real.

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If you guys found this interesting, I can write a little bit about how spiral dynamics plays into this too. 

Edited 23 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[blackchair]

Do pls explain more and put it in spiral lens, are these mistycs that bricked themself in small room for the rest of their life? 

[gengar]

Beautiful, never knew this one, I knew Marguerite Porete and Hadewich but not this one

[AtmanIsBrahman]

2 hours ago, gengar said:

Beautiful, never knew this one, I knew Marguerite Porete and Hadewich but not this one

Thanks, glad it was insightful!

 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

3 hours ago, blackchair said:

Do pls explain more and put it in spiral lens, are these mistycs that bricked themself in small room for the rest of their life? 

Julian of Norwich is a stage blue Christian and she spends much of the book making theological speculations based on her visions, which are largely clouded in Christian dogma (such as the Trinity, original sin, hell, etc.). A low stage of cognitive development makes one's interpretations of mystical experience very misled. Also, visions come in the symbols you understand at the time, which for her were Christian ones.

Nonetheless, the endearing part of all this is that the truth still sneaks in. She is indoctrinated into a Christian worldview, but despite this fact her intention is pure enough to get a glimpse of truth. She essentially wants to be closer to God, and God shows her that it isn't by sinning less that she gets there but by dropping the notion of sin altogether and realizing that everything is Love. 

The lesson in my mind is that having a pure intention is most important in spiritual work. As long as you have a pure intention, you will have some kind of insight or awakening given enough time. This is the power of direct experience over intellectual understanding. 

[kavaris]

I wanna write a book called "Divine light of Ra  contra * Lucifer the morning star"

But i dont think ppl would understand it, from the perspective of Ra the Lightbringer, but they would from Lucifer the morning star, towards that Apophis, Chaotic Light Spi., so in that way, Divine Christian esque is the best way to communicate to the soul, until the openess to accept chaos / inner fire is prevelant.

*p.s. we gotta find a new word to replace "book", cause yall know i dont mean like a library book, i mean something else, but i dont know which word yet best expresses it. I dont like "writing piece", as it should feel like how "book" + "album" is a single word to describe

Like i do sortve mean book, but it also should encapsulate digital expression, like *well rounded album* ~ e.g., "I'm writing a *mnemogram* at kybernetikes schuole", "mnemogram" isnt so bad, it could work.

Edited 17 hours ago by kavaris

[Leo Gura]

@AtmanIsBrahman Good work!