Can AI Have Its Own Subjective Experience If Consciousness Is Fundamental?

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Really. You're gonna do this.  I thought yku were beyond this. This is a trap holding you back.

Beyond what?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Beyond what?

Beyond understanding reality. You can if you wanted to.  But to you there is no one to understand. So it's left as some mystery.  But see that is how it holds you.  

[Wilhelm44]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If there is no one to figure anything out then why try? It's stupid.  As if a self is required to understand reality.  That's a trap. Do you see where that assumption is slidden in ever so subtly?

Yeah, everyone has different definitions for this self thing.

Seems to be just identification(personal ownership) which falls away.

No self is like a doorway I feel.

Eternal unfoldment.

I can't claim to understand reality.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

Bohr was the greatest physicist to ever live and was a mystic. But he did have some conclusive answers to reality.  I don't think he liked what he found out in the end.  He found infinity. Oops. The cat under the hat was not Shrodinger's because it did not exist while hidden from view.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He found infinity

Is it possible to understand infinity ?

[Carl-Richard]

29 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Beyond understanding reality. You can if you wanted to.  But to you there is no one to understand. So it's left as some mystery.  But see that is how it holds you.  

My guy, the "no one to understand" is you. It's just not the blabla.

Edited 6 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Is it possible to understand infinity ?

If its infinite it should allow for that. I guess that's omniscience. This doesn't negate or limit Infinity in any way. You have to stay on your game 😀

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

If its infinite it should allow for that. I guess that's omniscience. This doesnt negate or limit Infinity in any way. You have to stay on your game 😀

 

To infinity and beyond   Can it really be called 'understanding' tho, I mean if it's infinite, isn't there always going to be the next 'higher understanding" etc ?

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

My guy, the "no one to understand" is you. It's just not the blabla.

I think it's funny that people think there needs to be an ego for a mind to work. It still constructs thoughts without the need of you . It's been doing that all along

 It has a mind of it's own.

Edited 6 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

Isn't the infinite by definition not understandable ?

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

thoughts

How will thoughts help you to understand the infinite ?

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Isn't the infinite by definition not understandable ?

Not if you are it.  If you are God then who else would understand.  Didn't you listen to any of the videos. If it's One. You are sovereign.  There is nothing outside of you. So there has to be understanding. Because there is no one else to do it but you. You are Infinity.

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Not if you are it.  If you are God then who else would understand.  Didn't you listen to any of the videos. If it's One. You are sovereign.  There is nothing outside of you. So there has to be understanding. Because there is no one else to do it but you. You are Infinity.

What is there to understand ?  Can you really understand this Mystery ?

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What is there to understand ?  Can you really understand this Mystery ?

It's a mystery always but that is relative.  You already know a lot so that's easy for you to say.  A mystery to you and the girl next door are two completely different things.

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

girl next door

Mystery